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The Sabbath is the 'Lords Day', not Sunday.

Discussion in 'Traditional Adventists' started by reddogs, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    EVERY day is the Lord's Day
     
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    Jesus rose from the dead on the First Day of the week
     
  4. reddogs

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    We need to read the whole of Bible, line upon line, precept upon precept, the change of the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week is mentioned nowhere in scripture. Those who wish to promulgate this lie, expect others to accept the building of an entire doctrine upon twisting the scriptures to fit their traditions of man or non conclusive statements in the scriptures regarding ceremonial Sabbaths, and Jesus’ attempts to teach the Jews proper Sabbath observance.

    Matthew 5:17-19 King James Version (KJV)
    "17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


    Mark 7:6-9 King James Version (KJV)
    "6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
    7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
    8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men
    , as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
    9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."

    Revelation 12:17 King James Version (KJV)
    "17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

    Revelation 14:12 King James Version (KJV)
    "12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

    Revelation 22:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
    "14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

    There is a reason that the book of Revelation points it out three times, that God's people keep His commandments and have the testimony of Jesus. It is because all of the false movements following traditions of man, neglect one or the other.
     
  5. Dave-W

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    So? It was also Yom haBikkurim, Day of First fruits. So do you observe that?
     
  6. reddogs

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    Now lets look at the Biblical Sabbath, not ideas or traditions of man. Lets start with the basics.

    Is the Sabbath day Saturday or Sunday according to the Bible?

    We should observe the seventh day of the week (Saturday), from even to even, as the Sabbath of the Lord our God. Evening is at sunset when day ends and another day begins. No other day has ever been sanctified as the day of rest. The Sabbath Day begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday.

    So why is Sunday kept? No one can answer that from the Bible. But from traditions of man, there are many ideas and speculations i.e. the Ten Commandments or moral law is done away with, or Christ rose on it, or disciples ate bread on it.

    No one is able to show that the Scriptures anywhere state that the first day of the week is the Lord's day, but the Bible is filled with text that show the seventh day is the Lord's special day. Not the least is in the New Testament where anyone can see that Jesus said the Sabbath is the Lord's day.

    Matthew 12:8
    For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
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    Mark 2:28
    Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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    Luke 6:5
    And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
     
  7. reddogs

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    Lets look at the text of the resurrection in our Bibles and see if it says anything about changing the Sabbath?

    Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV)

    "28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

    Notice here are two days. One is the Sabbath day. ‘In the end of the Sabbath.’ Very well, there is one day, then, that is the Sabbath. Now which day is this?
    Now the next day, ‘In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.’ At this point, which is the Sabbath day? It cannot be the first day, because the one which is called the Sabbath is the day before the first day. The Sabbath is ended before the first day comes. Remember this is not the testimony of the Old Testament. It is from the New Testament that we are reading, the Christian Scriptures, the New Testament; and hence the Sabbath mentioned here is the ‘Christian Sabbath.’

    Mark 16:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

    "1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
    2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun."

    Notice carefully; here are two days spoken of again. One of them is the Sabbath. Which day is it? Is it the first day? No, because the Sabbath is past before the first day comes. ‘When the Sabbath was past, … the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulcher.’ Remember this is New Testament, not Old Testament. This was written a long time after the resurrection. So which is the Christian Sabbath?

    Now lets look at Luke 23:46-56.
    "46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
    47 Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.
    48 And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.
    49 And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.
    50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:
    51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them, he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
    52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
    53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
    54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
    55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
    56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment."


    So the women who had followed Christ all His life and were acquainted with all His teaching, nowhere did Christ tell them their was to be a change of the Sabbath, at His death or resurrection or at any event. Now lets read the next text right after these....
    Luke 24:1
    "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them."

    No change mentioned, the Sabbath was kept, and they brought the spices the day after the Sabbath.

    Now take note these text were written more than thirty to forty years after the resurrection. (The four canonical gospels, like the rest of the New Testament, were written in Greek. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110) You think they would have mentioned a change...
     
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  8. Pethesedzao

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    Correct, the Sabbath still stands for the old Covenant adherents...
     
  9. Pethesedzao

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    Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week
     
  10. Dave-W

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    While it is listed as a Covenantal sign between God and Israel, its inception was way before either the Mosaic or Abrahamic covenant. That means it transcends any covenant.
    Which did nothing to change the Sabbath.
     
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    Flee Seventh Day Adventism
     
  13. Pethesedzao

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    I serve a risen Saviour
     
  14. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Which “old covenant?” Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic or Mosaic?

    Since the Sabbath itself predates all of them, that is a difficult thing to prove.
     
  15. Dave-W

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    Why????
     
  16. Dave-W

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    So do we Sabbath keepers.
     
  17. reddogs

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    I had a person tell me, I know its in the Bible, its written down that Sunday is the 'Lords Day', and I am still waiting for him to find the verse. Many people think its actually in there, the ministers tell them that it the first day is the new covenant day, so they just blindly hold to it. Yet there is not one verse that says this, and the scripture has to be contorted to fit their assumptions, that since most churches hold service on the first day, it most be right. And yet it was not like that even in the early church, it came from another origin, not of God.

    Many also believe, that the keeping of the Sabbath was abolished at the cross and that the first day of the week, Sunday, became the Lord’s day in honor of the resurrection. But that is untrue and the scriptures show it. The Lord has a day and scripture tells us what day it is in Matthew 12:8:

    Matthew 12:8 King James Version (KJV)

    "8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."

    In Isaiah, we find where God speaks of the Sabbath and calls it plainly “my holy day.”
    Isaiah 58:13 King James Version (KJV)

    "13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"

    And no where in Scripture does God designate an other day as His, or change the day because of the resurrection. He in fact makes sure that there is no question what day is the Sabbath. Now it also says in the Ten Commandments day that the Sabbath is and that "the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God":

    Exodus 20:8-10 King James Version (KJV)

    "8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"

    The Lord has a day. The Sabbath is the Lord’s day.
    And now the next verse tells us when it was made:

    Exodus 20:11 King James Version (KJV)

    "11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

    This tells us why God made the Sabbath, it was a day made for man to rest from his labors and receive a blessing. We also see the link between the Sabbath and creation and the Creator. Now we see Christ confirming it in Mark 2:27:

    Mark 2:27 King James Version (KJV)

    "27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:"
     
  18. Pethesedzao

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    Look at the references in Paul's letter to the church at Corinth
     
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    Hello, I agree with your posts, unfortunately many people have their mind made up. It's sad when we choose to follow tradition rather than the actual spoken word. We can go around asking people of ither faiths to show us in scripture where they can justify their beliefs, but get defensive when it's asked of us. We have to make a decision, I'd the pastor we listen to cannot show us in scripture what he is preaching on do we still follow? The Word says the road to destruction is wide, but the road to Salvation is narrow and only a FEW will find it. There's a hint, we have to be looking and there won't be many. But we need to Follow what is written not man's view point of it. The bible is a whole book not 2 different ones. Our heavenly Father doesn't change. The only difference is the plan was revealed when Messiah came.
     
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