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Yep just as I thought. You do not read the posts and the scriptures provided as a help to you do you.
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No I don't agree with you is the entire problem for you.
Why can't you answer any question? You seem to think I have to respond to every letter found in your posts. My intention is to have a conversation about the contents of your post. Your c&p stuff isn't a response to that. It's preaching and demanding compliance.Your claim by the above is the Christians is to keep the 7th day sabbath.
Hebrews 4 doesn't discuss a day. Heb 4 discusses rest. That rest it discusses isn't a physical periodic day of physical rest for the body. Neither does it imply were to be in turmoil the other six days of the week.
Jesus isn't talking about keeping the famous 10 in Mat 11:28-30 which you take parts from. NTL that is excellent advice because the burden of the law isn't light as Peter says in Acts 15.Those who do the works of the law never enter God's rest. Jesus proves this with His statement found in Mat 11:28-30.Your version of that rest is keeping your amended sabbath. Heb 4 isn't talking about that. You can't enter God's rest by keeping the 7th day sabbath. This is a shadow as Col 2:17 says. Yes I know you'll say that's not true. Argue with the Scripture, not me.I need you to identify what Gospel was preached to them. Abraham believed it and didn't have nor keep the law (famous 10).
Those who do the works of the law never enter God's rest. Jesus proves this with His statement found in Mat 11:28-30.
Of course you've an amended covenant, so there's no new covenant IYO.Not at all. The OLD COVENANT is not like the new. Not more SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. No more SHADOW laws in SIN OFFERINGS, ceremonial Sanctuary laws, Levitical Priesthood and FEASTS that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.
The eternal law has no effect on a dead man. Rom 6God's ETERNAL LAW however has the same role it always has under the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
The 4th commandment does no such thing for the gentile unless they convert to Judaism.God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
Your amended sabbath is the same thing.Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Yes there is, but you won't listen. You're to busy with words of legalism.There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Still calling me a liar.In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
I don't think I missed anything. You didn't change your tune.Yep just as I thought. You do not read the posts and the scriptures provided as a help to you do you.
I think our problem is we're not on the same page.Yep just as I thought. You do not read the posts and the scriptures provided as a help to you do you.
Of course you've an amended covenant, so there's no new covenant IYO.
The eternal law has no effect on a dead man. Rom 6 The 4th commandment does no such thing for the gentile unless they convert to Judaism.Your amended sabbath is the same thing.Yes there is, but you won't listen. You're to busy with words of legalism.Still calling me a liar.
I think our problem is we're not on the same page.
Would mind prayerfully explain the following verse by verse for me -All your posts and questions have been answered with God's WORD. All the scriptures posted to you are from my own prayerful bible study from God's WORD. In response you provide your own words that disagree with God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; MATTHEW 15:3-9.
Yes I did. I also ran your passages through my filters. That's more than just reading your passages. I found nothing of value in the remainder of your post that hasn't already been addressed.You did not read the scriptures in the post to you did you.
No. YOur worthless challenge is demanding a passage of Scripture with these exact words - Thou shalt not keep the sabbath. or something very similar.Indeed, those who do not enter into the Gospel rest do not enter into God's Sabbath rest *HEBREWS 4:1-5
The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
You don't treat it that way. Your claim is anything that isn't specifically eliminated still stands. That's and amended covenant, not a new one.Not really brother. It is a NEW COVENANT. It is not like the OLD COVENT. You can read about it here *JEREMIAH 31:31-34; HEBREWS 8:7-12.
I'm delighted to have concluded my study of SDA doctrine.Indeed my friend. Open your bible and read the posts and the scriptures provided to you in love as a help to you brother. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.
I'm delighted to have concluded my study of SDA doctrine.
No. YOur worthless challenge is demanding a passage of Scripture with these exact words - Thou shalt not keep the sabbath. or something very similar. My challenge is quote the passage requiring the sabbath be kept by the Christian. I'll take any version of that statement.
Would mind prayerfully explain the following verse by versae for me -
Gal 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.Yes I did. I also ran your passages through my filters. That's more than just reading your passages. I found nothing of value in the remainder of your post that hasn't already been addressed.
You don't treat it that way. Your claim is anything that isn't specifically eliminated still stands. That's and amended covenant, not a new one.
That's what SDA doctrine is a (wo)man's teaching.Only God's WORD has been shared with you and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.
Hope this helps
Sorry but that's not what the Greek text says or implies.Here you go..
HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
So PM me with words I can say and thoughts I can have. I might even post them. IOW you're not the slightest bit interested in them.Your turn...
The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...
1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?
2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?
3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?
4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?
5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?
6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?
7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?
8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?
9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?
10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?
11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?
12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?
13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?
14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?
15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?
16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?
17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?
18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?
19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?
21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?
22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?
23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?
25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?
27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?
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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).
God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...
MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.
Look forward to your thoughts...
So where's your explanation of my passage from Gal 5?Agreed, you look at the scriptures through your own filters.
CIRCUMCISION was a SHADOW law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 representing a NEW HEART in the NEW COVENANT *
FORTOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….
DEUTERONOMY 30:6 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.
JEREMIAH 4:4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
DEUTERONOMY 10:16 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.
NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…
ROMANS 2:25 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORITHIANS 7:19 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK *EXODUS 24:7 of the OLD COVENANT is not a requirement for salvation * ACTS 15.
1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Hope this helps.
Yes you do in that you can't post a passage requiring the sabbath be keep by Christians. Your Aramaic version only says what you want the Scripture to say. It isn't true or even close to the Greek.Well that is not true. The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT brother. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119L172.
Hope this helps
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