The Sabbath debate goes on, but should it?

[Clare73]

It is also the thousand years of rest on Earth

We've been resting in gospel grace for 2,000 years now.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And their NT teaching remains in Heb 4:1-9:

Sabbath rest is seen in Heb 4:1-5:
"On the seventh day God rested from all his work (Sabbath rest). And again. . ."They shall never enter my rest." (Heb 4:4-5)

That he uses it interchangeably with Canaan rest is seen in Heb 4:8-9.
"If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
There remains then a Sabbath-rest for the people of God." (Heb 4:8-9)

That Sabbath rest for the people of God is in gospel grace, comfort and holiness,
as well as in an eternal rest in glory.

Believe what you wish, we have free will, but I already showed you the Greek word in these verses are not the same or interchangeable, they have completely different meanings. The Sabbath debate goes on, but should it?

Plus this version is not compatible with God’s Word- the disciples didn‘t Canaan rest when they were preaching God’s Word every Sabbath day Acts 18:4 - they were keeping the Sabbath commandment. God says no editing His commandments- Deut 4:2 so there will never be a time we can add to or take from to make His commandments be compatible to our liking because we are not God. We are to adjust to God’s Word, not make His Word adjust to us. In God’s rest there is no rebellion to Him, Heb 3:15, Hebrews 4:6, Hebrews 4:11 which is what Hebrews 3-4 and Psalms 95 is warning us about- we do not rest in Christ by being disobedient to His commandments. In Christ rest there no rebellion, just peace and to obtain that we would be obeying God the way He asks Isa 48:18 not finding some creative way to not follow His commandment the way He wrote it Exodus 20:8-11.

In the wilderness the Israelites profaned the Sabbath Eze 20:21 Eze 20:13 and we are called to not follow their path of disobedience Heb 4:6, Hebrews 4:11. I would hate to be wrong, what if God really meant what He said and we really are to keep the Sabbath day holy, which God tells us is the seventh day Exodus 20:10 because this is a commandment of God, which to me anyway, means its not optional or a suggestion and no editing to me means just that Deut 4:2. The Israelites thought they knew better too and it didn’t work out well for them, we are supposed to learn from the mistakes in scripture, not follow them and think one will get a different result.

Anyway, guess we will have to agree to disagree. Take care.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

We've been resting in gospel grace for 2,000 years now.

They're not opposed to one another you can have more than one dimension to the Sabbath day it's not an either or choice

 

[BobRyan]

We have free will, but Jesus does warn us not to break the least of the commandments of teach others to break Mat 5:19

True that is the teaching of Christ

instead of being our Creator and instead of obeying Him the way He asks, and we can just ignore His written and spoken Word. Exodus 20:8-11

It is true that Jesus is our Creator and our Savior according to the Bible. That is pure Apostolic teaching.

 

[BobRyan]

We've been resting in gospel grace for 2,000 years now.

The saints have been under tribulation and persecution for 2000 years now.

But at the moment we accept Christ as our Saviour we are born again. Notice how Moses and Elijah both have full fellowship with Christ in Matt 17 - in glory --- before the cross.

Do you think they are living in rebellion against the Word of God??

 

[Clare73]

Believe what you wish, we have free will,

That Sabbath rest for the people of God is in gospel grace, comfort and holiness, as well as in an eternal rest in glory.

 

[Clare73]

They're not opposed to one another you can have more than one dimension to the Sabbath day it's not an either or choice

Not for the NT Sabbath.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Not for the NT Sabbath.

That is where you are wrong,. The New testament Sabbath is a returning back to the garden of Eden and restoring things back to the way they were eventually culminating with a return of the Lord on Earth. Where you were out of the presence of the Lord and out of the garden the blessings of the Lord now you're back into the blessings of the Lord and back into his presence

 

[Clare73]

The saints have been under tribulation and persecution for 2000 years now.

Is that a denial of gospel grace now?

But at the moment we accept Christ as our Saviour we are born again. Notice how Moses and Elijah both have full fellowship with Christ in Matt 17 - in glory --- before the cross.

Do you think they are living in rebellion against the Word of God??

Do you?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That Sabbath rest for the people of God is in gospel grace, comfort and holiness, as well as in an eternal rest in glory.

I see you’re using your words- I prefer God’s Word. Exodus 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23 these all have thus saith the Lord

 

[Clare73]

That is where you are wrong,. The New testament Sabbath is a returning back to the garden of Eden and restoring things back to the way they were eventually culminating with a return of the Lord on Earth. Where you were out of the presence of the Lord and out of the garden the blessings of the Lord now you're back into the blessings of the Lord and back into his presence

NT teaching, please.

 

[Clare73]

I see you’re using your words- I prefer God’s Word. Exodus 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23 these all have thus saith the Lord

I prefer man's word that correctly reflects God's word, understanding it in the light of all Scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I prefer man's word that correctly reflects God's word.

I think God can speak for Himself- and He did. It’s just a matter if we have faith to believe in every Word that proceeds from His mouth. God had a lot to say about the Sabbath commandment. It’s one of the few scriptures that God took the time to come down from heaven and personally write, He did not leave it up to man to write His holy commandments. Sad so many people won’t believe God’s personally engraved scripture.

 

[Clare73]

I prefer man's word that correctly reflects God's word, understanding it in the light of all Scripture.

I think God can speak for Himself- and He did. It’s just a matter if we have faith to believe in every Word of God, instead of tweaking it to fit us preference.

It's really a matter of understanding it in the light of all Scripture

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

The 10 commandments were given to Israel on Mount Sinai, not to gentiles.

We do not follow the Mosaic Law, that was given to Isral for specific time.

We live under grace and not the law. We follow Jesus' commandments. Lord Jesus did command 9 out of 10 things from the 10 commandments, Sabbath was not one of them.

Sunday is the Lord's day, because that is when He was resurrected. Sunday is not the new sabbath as some teach.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's really a matter of understanding it in the light of all Scripture

True- God’s people keep God’s commandments right until the end of time Rev 22:14, but sadly, it’s just a remnant Rev 12:17 KJV. The Sabbath is one of God’s commandments and it’s the one commandment God said to Remember so my faith is in Him.

 

[Clare73]

True- God’s people keep God’s commandments right until the end of time Rev 22:14, but sadly, it’s just a remnant Rev 12:17 KJV. The Sabbath is one of God’s commandments and it’s the one commandment God said to Remember so my faith is in Him.

I don't take my doctrine from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles ("dark sayings," hidden meanings) not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8), and subject to more than one interpretation.
I take it only from apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The 10 commandments were given to Israel on Mount Sinai, not to gentiles.

We do not follow the Mosaic Law, that was given to Isral for specific time.

We live under grace and not the law. We follow Jesus' commandments. Lord Jesus did command 9 out of 10 things from the 10 commandments, Sabbath was not one of them.

Sunday is the Lord's day, because that is when He was resurrected. Sunday is not the new sabbath as some teach.

Can you point to the scripture that says we are to keep the nine commandments and the only commandment we are to forget is the one commandment God said “Remember” and is holy and blessed by God. That sounds like the teaching of another spirit Isaiah 8:20

God wrote Ten Commandments, not nine or 8 and no man has authority to undo what God placed together Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 Deut 4:13 because man is not above God, nor can man sanctify themselves, only God can Eze 20:12 but yet they try anyway

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't take my doctrine from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles ("dark sayings," hidden meanings) not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8), and subject to more than one interpretation.
I take it only from apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

Suit yourself- we have free will. I wish you well and hope it works out for you.

 

[Clare73]

I don't take my doctrine from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles ("dark sayings," hidden meanings) not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8), and subject to more than one interpretation.
I take it only from apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

Suit yourself- we have free will.

Thanks for confirming my choice.