The Sabbath and evolution

[k4c]

That's probably because there are no such verses, k4c.

Oh yah, I forgot you have a veil...

 

[VictorC]

Oh yah, I forgot you have a veil...

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

 

[k4c]

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

I will have to refer you to the many, many, many, many, many posts that I made containing these verses, which you have conveniently overlooked. Let me know how you make out...

 

[VictorC]

I will have to refer you to the many, many, many, many, many posts that I made containing these verses, which you have conveniently overlooked. Let me know how you make out...

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

 

[k4c]

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

From what I gather from your many repeated posts is that you believe the Law had it's beginning at Sinai and since it began at Sinai it ended at Jesus.

If you read the verses carefully you will see that the Law at Sinai was given to point out violations, which were being committed by God's people before Sinai.

Galatians 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

The word, transgressions is the Strong's number 3847 which means, violation.

Strong's Ref. # 3847
Romanized parabasis
Pronounced par-ab'-as-is
from GSN3845; violation:
KJV--breaking, transgression.

So this tells us that before God wrote the Law on stone His people were already violating them.

You also have to keep in mind that the Law on stone points out sin so we can deal with it. But you know we are a sinful people and struggle with keeping the Law.

When Jesus came He took us out from being under the old covenant Law when He took our sin away because the Law on stone points out sin, and always will, and under the old covenant the punishment for sin is death.

Now God makes a new covenant with us. In the new covenant He removes our uncleaness and gives us His Spirit and writes His will in our heart and empowers us to keep His Law.

Ezekial 36:26-29 "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. "I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.

When sin is removed our relationship changes to the will of God. We know the will of God is seen in His Law because the will of God was being violated prior to Sinai that's why God wrote it on stone for all to read and know.

Those who have been born again know that worshiping other Gods, idols, using God's name in vain, forgetting the Sabbath, stealing and so on are the will of God. We also know these were the will of God before Sinai because if you remember, they were add because people were violating them.

Under the new covenant God writes His will in our hearts which will manifest in our lives as love for God and love for man.

 

[VictorC]

From what I gather from your many repeated posts is that you believe the Law had it's beginning at Sinai and since it began at Sinai it ended at Jesus.

I'm glad that you could gather that message from my posts. Review what you presented, and you will see that there isn't anything that alters this conclusion. Remain focused, for the impasse you're at hasn't been addressed.

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

 

[k4c]

I'm glad that you could gather that message from my posts. Review what you presented, and you will see that there isn't anything that alters this conclusion. Remain focused, for the impasse you're at hasn't been addressed.

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

Just as I thought, it went right through you and came out the other side with no affect.

The End

 

[VictorC]

Just as I thought, it went right through you and came out the other side with no affect.

The End

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist. The only thing that went through me was a lot of hot air with no substance.

 

[k4c]

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist. The only thing that went through me was a lot of hot air with no substance.

I went step by step so you could grasp it so don't try to use it against me.

We all know that sin was sin before Sinai so the fact that God points out sin through the Ten Commandments does not nullify the Ten Commandment in the new covenant. God gave them so they're given. Now the big question is, how the Law on stone effects people who are coming to God? The Law points out sin, which in turn points us to Jesus so that He can cleans us of that sin through the grace of God. Once the sin has been pointed out and Jesus cleanes you of it you are no longer under the Law because the Law was meant to point out sin and bring condemnation but once Jesus cleanses of our sin that does not give us the right to continue to sin.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

I know you guys have a hard time with this concept because of the half truths you've been taught but keep seeking God and He will open your eyes.

 

[VictorC]

As posted in reply to the identical post on an adjacent thread:

I went step by step so you could grasp it so don't try to use it against me.

We all know that sin was sin before Sinai so the fact that God points out sin through the Ten Commandments does not nullify the Ten Commandment in the new covenant.

A existing before B does not imply that B exists after we were redeemed from B. In fact, you seemed to forget about A, and that it existed without B.
A = sin
B = law

I can grasp what you wrote. I don't think you can. You left A untended and didn't support B existing past its demise.

God gave them so they're given.

That same God also delivered us from it in the new covenant based on His adoption with His Spirit, and the new covenant cannot coexist with the first covenant, which was the ten commandments: "He takes away the first that He may establish the second" (Hebrews 10:9).

Now the big question is, how the Law on stone effects people who are coming to God? The Law points out sin, which in turn points us to Jesus so that He can cleans us of that sin through the grace of God.

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Once the law accomplished the purpose ordained for it, it terminates and loses jurisdiction over God's redeemed.

Once the sin has been pointed out and Jesus cleanes you of it you are no longer under the Law because the Law was meant to point out sin and bring condemnation but once Jesus cleanses of our sin that does not give us the right to continue to sin.

Why do you sin?
Why does God give us His promise to forget our sin in the present tense? "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
It is obvious that sin continues: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8).

If you can't be reconciled to God in light of your sin (transgression to the law doesn't exist anymore), you aren't His purchased possession.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

I know you guys have a hard time with this concept because of the half truths you've been taught but keep seeking God and He will open your eyes.

We have the whole truth of God; it is those in the first covenant who have a veil while reading Moses. If your transgressions under the first covenant have not been redeemed (Hebrews 9:15), sin is imputed to you and you remain guilty before God (Romans 3:19). You have a creative writing style that is a window to the natural rebellion of the author inside.

 

[k4c]

As posted in reply to the identical post on an adjacent thread:

Sometimes truth has to be repeated to help people come out of error. So here is another repeat to help you come out of error.

VictorC;
Why do you sin?
Why does God give us His promise to forget our sin in the present tense? "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
It is obvious that sin continues: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8).
What about our future sins?

When we come to Jesus He washes us of our past sins and gives us a clean slate. Listen to the words in how they speak of forgiveness in a present tense for a past violation.

2 Peter 1:9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Colossians 2:13 And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.

But do you think that just because God, through Christ, has forgiven us of our past sins He will overlook our future sins?

Sorry if you do...

What is our part in the turning away from future sins under the new covenant?

James 5:19-20 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:2-4 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

2 Peter 3:14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Here is how sin takes hold of new covenant Christians to the point of spiritual death.

James 1:13-15 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God''; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

Do not be deceived my beloved brother.

I have dozens more but I think you undertand now how foolish and silly you've been.

 

[VictorC]

From what I gather from your many repeated posts is that you believe the Law had it's beginning at Sinai and since it began at Sinai it ended at Jesus.

I'm glad that you could gather that message from my posts. Review what you presented, and you will see that there isn't anything that alters this conclusion. Remain focused, for the impasse you're at hasn't been addressed.

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

 

[k4c]

I'm glad that you could gather that message from my posts. Review what you presented, and you will see that there isn't anything that alters this conclusion. Remain focused, for the impasse you're at hasn't been addressed.

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.

You've seem to have missed an entire post. Could it be the veil? Hmmmmm

Let post it again here for you.

Originally Posted by VictorC

As posted in reply to the identical post on an adjacent thread:
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Sometimes truth has to be repeated to help people come out of error. So here is another repeat to help you come out of error.

VictorC;
Why do you sin?
Why does God give us His promise to forget our sin in the present tense? "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
It is obvious that sin continues: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8).
What about our future sins?

When we come to Jesus He washes us of our past sins and gives us a clean slate. Listen to the words in how they speak of forgiveness in a present tense for a past violation.

2 Peter 1:9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Colossians 2:13 And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.

But do you think that just because God, through Christ, has forgiven us of our past sins He will overlook our future sins?

Sorry if you do...

What is our part in the turning away from future sins under the new covenant?

James 5:19-20 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:2-4 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

2 Peter 3:14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Here is how sin takes hold of new covenant Christians to the point of spiritual death.

James 1:13-15 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God''; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

Do not be deceived my beloved brother.

I have dozens more but I think you undertand now how foolish and silly you've been.

 

[VictorC]

Sometimes truth has to be repeated to help people come out of error. So here is another repeat to help you come out of error.

So far the only error apparent is the one you aren't willing to provide support for.

From what I gather from your many repeated posts is that you believe the Law had it's beginning at Sinai and since it began at Sinai it ended at Jesus.

I'm glad that you could gather that message from my posts. Review what you presented, and you will see that there isn't anything that alters this conclusion. Remain focused, for the impasse you're at hasn't been addressed.

It would have been a simple matter to present the verse you alleged existed in Scripture, but when pressed for one you discovered one doesn't exist.