The Sabbath and evolution

[Laodicean]

The gospel, expressed in end-time terms, includes the following: "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Rev. 14: 6, 7.

Evolution of the macro variety denies that Intelligence (or God) created. Its claim is that the universe self-evolved. So, to promote macroevolution is to deny the aspect of the gospel expressed in Revelation 14 that says that God is
the Creator.

God foresaw our tendency to forget, hence the request embedded within the moral code that we REMEMBER, lest we turn away from the truth and stray after fables. As long as we remember that God is the Creator, and that He is powerful enough to create life on this earth in six literal days (and let us not diminish His power) we can never be evolutionists of the macro-believing variety. We will always "Remember . . . . For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is . . . ."

Here, then, is the primary purpose for remembering the 7th day Sabbath: It is an anchor to remind us of WHO created, and how rapidly He created. And in the aftermath of such a reminder comes the assurance that He who created can also recreate our messed-up lives.

Let us then keep this reminder continually before us, and worship Him from week to week, especially now that "the hour of His judgment is come."

 

[VictorC]

Here, then, is the primary purpose for remembering the 7th day Sabbath: It is an anchor to remind us of WHO created, and how rapidly He created. And in the aftermath of such a reminder comes the assurance the He who created can also recreate our messed-up lives.

Recreation is presented in the perfect tense in 2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

Many of us regard the sabbath to be the schoolmaster that was designed to lead us to God's eternal rest. Now that we have the reality, the purpose of the shadow has been fulfilled. Ascribing another purpose for it may suit your purposes, but it isn't a purpose described in Scripture.

 

[k4c]

The gospel, expressed in end-time terms, includes the following: "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Rev. 14: 6, 7.

Evolution of the macro variety denies that Intelligence (or God) created. Its claim is that the universe self-evolved. So, to promote macroevolution is to deny the aspect of the gospel expressed in Revelation 14 that says that God is
the Creator.

God foresaw our tendency to forget, hence the request embedded within the moral code that we REMEMBER, lest we turn away from the truth and stray after fables. As long as we remember that God is the Creator, and that He is powerful enough to create life on this earth in six literal days (and let us not diminish His power) we can never be evolutionists of the macro-believing variety. We will always "Remember . . . . For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is . . . ."

Here, then, is the primary purpose for remembering the 7th day Sabbath: It is an anchor to remind us of WHO created, and how rapidly He created. And in the aftermath of such a reminder comes the assurance the He who created can also recreate our messed-up lives.

Let us then keep this reminder continually before us, and worship Him from week to week, especially now that "the hour of His judgment is come."

Excellent post!!!

The seventh day of creation has no other purpose other than to celebrate the glory and power of the Most High God. We cease labor in honor of the fact that God had set apart the seventh day to remind us of His existance and His position above all things as Creator and Maker but the ceasing from labor is not what makes the day holy, the day is holy so we cease from labor. We even cease from labor on man made holy days such as the Fourth of July. The Fourth of July is a holy day not because we cease from labor, we cease from labor because it is a holy day.

Some will try to do away with the seventh day by calling it a shadow but to call it a shadow is something found outside of Scripture. We know that there are certain days that were set apart as sabbaths, which days came as a result of sin, but the seventh day of creation came before sin and is never called a shadow. Now God may use things such as marriage or the seventh day to help us understand something about our relationship with Him but that does not do away with marriage or the seventh day for they are still both sacred to God.

Excellent post...

 

[VictorC]

The seventh day of creation has no other purpose other than to celebrate the glory and power of the Most High God. We cease labor in honor of the fact that God had set apart the seventh day to remind us of His existance and His position above all things as Creator and Maker but the ceasing from labor is not what makes the day holy, the day is holy so we cease from labor. We even cease from labor on man made holy days such as the Fourth of July. The Fourth of July is a holy day not because we cease from labor, we cease from labor because it is a holy day.

Some will try to do away with the seventh day by calling it a shadow but to call it a shadow is something found outside of Scripture. We know that there are certain days that were set apart as sabbaths, which days came as a result of sin, but the seventh day of creation came before sin and is never called a shadow. Now God may use things such as marriage or the seventh day to help us understand something about our relationship with Him but that does not do away with marriage or the seventh day for they are still both sacred to God.

You're so happy being confused I should probably leave you confused. No one has called the seventh day of creation a shadow, and the topic was actually the sabbath instead.

 

[k4c]

You're so happy being confused I should probably leave you confused. No one has called the seventh day of creation a shadow, and the topic was actually the sabbath instead.

The word sabbath only means rest, it has no holiness or sacredness in itself. You can attatch the word sabbath to anything, even pagan days.

The seventh day of creation is a whole different story. It was sanctified, blessed and called holy by God at it's onset. These words, sanctified, blessed and holy, carry much more power and authority than the word sabbath. As a matter of fact, the word sabbath is under the authority of the seventh day, not the other way around. As a result of this, we cease from labor on the seventh day in honor of creation and it's Creator. The ceasing from labor is not what makes the day holy, sanctifed or blessed.

I hope this was able to help you.

 

[VictorC]

The word sabbath only means rest, it has no holiness or sacredness in itself. You can attatch the word sabbath to anything, even pagan days.

The seventh day of creation is a whole different story. It was sanctified, blessed and called holy by God at it's onset. These words, sanctified, blessed and holy, carry much more power and authority than the word sabbath. As a matter of fact, the word sabbath is under the authority of the seventh day, not the other way around. As a result of this, we cease from labor on the seventh day in honor of creation and it's Creator. The ceasing from labor is not what makes the day holy, sanctifed or blessed.

I hope this was able to help you.

No, it just confirms your state of confusion.
The day that God blessed and sanctified -set apart- as His rest was the seventh day of creation. You're about to enter into the 2,163,600th day of creation, and call it a sabbath of your rest. You confused the creation account with the week, and the creation account never repeated.

 

[k4c]

No, it just confirms your state of confusion.
The day that God blessed and sanctified -set apart- as His rest was the seventh day of creation. You're about to enter into the 2,163,600th day of creation, and call it a sabbath of your rest. You confused the creation account with the week, and the creation account never repeated.

Do know that the seven day week has no bearing on anything. The 24hr day has the rotation of the earth, the month has the Moon's orbit around the Earth and the year has the roatation of the earth around the sun but the seven day week has its authority from God. And if you haven't checked in a while, we still have a seven day week with six days and then a seventh and that seventh has been blessed, sanctifed and called holy by God from its onset.

Sorry, back to the drawing board for you.

Oh, and you get two head slappers for that one...

 

[VictorC]

Do know that the seven day week has no bearing on anything. The 24hr day has the rotation of the earth, the month has the Moon's orbit around the Earth and the year has the roatation of the earth around the sun but the seven day week has its authority from God. And if you haven't checked in a while, we still have a seven day week with six days and then a seventh and that seventh has been blessed, sanctifed and called holy by God from its onset.

Sorry, back to the drawing board for you.

Oh, and you get two head slappers for that one...

Launching off onto a tangent doesn't dispell your confusion. It just makes you look incompetent.

 

[k4c]

Launching off onto a tangent doesn't dispell your confusion. It just makes you look incompetent.

This is a comment from a desperate man attempting to find a leg to stand on. You'll come around some day and maybe even become an Adventist...

 

[Laodicean]

Recreation is presented in the perfect tense in 2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

Many of us regard the sabbath to be the schoolmaster that was designed to lead us to God's eternal rest. Now that we have the reality, the purpose of the shadow has been fulfilled. Ascribing another purpose for it may suit your purposes, but it isn't a purpose described in Scripture.

The purpose of the Sabbath is to look back, not forward -- back to creation and our Creator. Therefore, it can't be a shadow of something to come. It is a reality that returns every week.

And no, I have not ascribed another purpose for it, Victor. The purpose is given in the command itself, as written in Scripture. It is to remember that "in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that in them is." I am quoting you Scripture here, not ascribing some different purpose that I've made up.

But maybe we should change the subject for a bit. What is your position on evolution?

 

[Laodicean]

This is a comment from a desperate man attempting to find a leg to stand on. You'll come around some day and maybe even become an Adventist...

k4c, I think it is practically useless to argue with Victor, because he does not seem to be interested in anybody else's perspective but his own. He alone is right. He alone has the truth. And, unfortunately, that belief of his is borne along on a desire to win at whatever cost. I recently got done reading through most of the threads, starting back in 2005, when this subforum was formed, and I came across a telling statement by Victor in one thread. He said, "You lose."

Victor just wants to win, and if it means twisting Scripture or avoiding questions, he will do that in order to win, regardless of if his point is correct or not. What good is that?

 

[k4c]

k4c, I think it is practically useless to argue with Victor, because he does not seem to be interested in anybody else's perspective but his own. He alone is right. He alone has the truth. And, unfortunately, that belief of his is borne along on a desire to win at whatever cost. I recently got done reading through most of the threads, starting back in 2005, when this subforum was formed, and I came across a telling statement by Victor in one thread. He said, "You lose."

Victor just wants to win, and if it means twisting Scripture or avoiding questions, he will do that in order to win, regardless of if his point is correct or not. What good is that?

You're probably right.

 

[VictorC]

This is a comment from a desperate man attempting to find a leg to stand on.

The tangent away from the topic was introduced by you, and the desparation was a move on your part. Attempting to deflect an action you're responsible for shows a lack of integrity on your part.

You'll come around some day and maybe even become an Adventist...

A commitment to moral integrity leads one to Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ will lead you out of Adventism.
This is the consistent story I have heard from each and every former Adventist I have ever known, and I have spent quite some time with a number of them.

 

[VictorC]

The purpose of the Sabbath is to look back, not forward -- back to creation and our Creator. Therefore, it can't be a shadow of something to come. It is a reality that returns every week.

And no, I have not ascribed another purpose for it, Victor. The purpose is given in the command itself, as written in Scripture. It is to remember that "in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that in them is." I am quoting you Scripture here, not ascribing some different purpose that I've made up.

Stating that the sabbath can't be a shadow is equal to a prejudicial rejection of Scripture stating that it was. That isn't an honest approach to Bible study.

The sabbath looks toward the seventh day, and God's rest He alone enjoyed since that time (which hasn't ended). It not only looks backward to the creation account, but it also looks forward to God's rest that remained for us to attain with Him. Once we have entered His rest, the shadow of the sabbath completed the purpose designed into it and terminates. The shadow gives way to the reality we enjoy now in Christ's redemption.

But maybe we should change the subject for a bit. What is your position on evolution?

I was a creationist perhaps a month before I became a Christian. If you want the best educational material supporting the creationist model, turn your attention to the Baptists. Most of Christianity is far more devoted to creationism that you likely realize, and these groups acknowledge a freedom to assemble on any day of the week.

 

[VictorC]

k4c, I think it is practically useless to argue with Victor, because he does not seem to be interested in anybody else's perspective but his own. He alone is right. He alone has the truth. And, unfortunately, that belief of his is borne along on a desire to win at whatever cost. I recently got done reading through most of the threads, starting back in 2005, when this subforum was formed, and I came across a telling statement by Victor in one thread. He said, "You lose."

Victor just wants to win, and if it means twisting Scripture or avoiding questions, he will do that in order to win, regardless of if his point is correct or not. What good is that?

That certainly isn't an appeal to honest integrity. How do you hope to garner interest when your posts are filled with prejudicial rejection of Scripture?
You aren't.
When anyone contradicts Scripture, you lose, and that statement was likely applied to someone who was devoted to bearing false witness against Biblical proof contrary to his/her assertion.

 

[VictorC]

duplicate.

 

[Laodicean]

I was a creationist perhaps a month before I became a Christian.

"was." Mind if I ask your reasons for no longer being a creationist?

 

[VictorC]

"was." Mind if I ask your reasons for no longer being a creationist?

I suspect this is representative of the diffculty you may have with verbal tenses. "Am" does not refer to an event in the past, and does not fit in the sentence I used - I am still a creationist.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The purpose of the Sabbath is to look back, not forward -- back to creation and our Creator. Therefore, it can't be a shadow of something to come. It is a reality that returns every week.

In another thread, RND (a traditional SDA), is telling us that the sabbath points to redemption. Would you agree or disagree with RND's assessment? If you agree, would "redemption" have been a past or a future event for the Israelites?

Did the sabbath point to Jesus Christ?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The gospel, expressed in end-time terms, includes the following: "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Rev. 14: 6, 7.

Evolution of the macro variety denies that Intelligence (or God) created. Its claim is that the universe self-evolved. So, to promote macroevolution is to deny the aspect of the gospel expressed in Revelation 14 that says that God is
the Creator.

God foresaw our tendency to forget, hence the request embedded within the moral code that we REMEMBER, lest we turn away from the truth and stray after fables. As long as we remember that God is the Creator, and that He is powerful enough to create life on this earth in six literal days (and let us not diminish His power) we can never be evolutionists of the macro-believing variety. We will always "Remember . . . . For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is . . . ."

Here, then, is the primary purpose for remembering the 7th day Sabbath: It is an anchor to remind us of WHO created, and how rapidly He created. And in the aftermath of such a reminder comes the assurance that He who created can also recreate our messed-up lives.

Let us then keep this reminder continually before us, and worship Him from week to week, especially now that "the hour of His judgment is come."

Without the sabbath, would we lose all evidence that God is creator? Would we forget?

What role does the Holy Spirit play?

BFA