The Sabbath – the fourth of the Ten Commandments

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you enjoy exegesis, SabbatBlessings? (critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.) It is to go from verse to verse in a passage of scripture, and only use scripture to interpret scripture. The main idea behind Exegesis is to recognize that Scriptural flow and context may require up to the entire book to be read, or at a bare minimum, an entire chapter.

Then post one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath. Adding what is not there we are warned about doing. Pro 30:5-6 The doctrine Jesus is the Sabbath and we can profane His commanemnt is leading people away from obeying God. Something Jesus warns us about but sadly not many believe His teachings 5:19-30 May 15:3-14. Not interested in debating further all gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[Grip Docility]

Sabbath was given for man, for his rest from his work.

Someone thinks that Jesus is not our rest from our own works to save, and in his work which saves.

Doesn't scripture tell us that our battles are to be with Flesh and Blood? tongue in cheek

 

[Grip Docility]

Then post one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath. Adding what is not there we are warned about doing. Pro 30:5-6

SabbathBlessings; Please don't misunderstand me. I have given you a difficult time on other threads, by asking you to recall passages about Jesus. I wasn't doing this to be mean, but instead, because you have already made your mind up about what scripture says on this matter... and as commanded by scripture, I am not to charge at you like a bull, to bring about "Repentance". Therefore, I trust the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to lead you into the truth of this matter, whatever truth that may be, as you could be the correct one, here.

I encourage you to exegete Hebrews 4, on your own, without the aid of biblical commentary, but instead, with only scripture. Sit down with a biblical lexicon, like strongs. Use the internet cross reference features that will reveal similar scriptures to each verse of Hebrews 4. Have a biblical adventure with just you and Jesus, and read Hebrews 4 all the way through, while you exegete each verse, until you have zero questions about what each tiny word means and why it was chosen.

This is not me being a smug pain in the side. This is not me trying to sway you of a matter. This is me encouraging you to trust 1 John 2:27 on this matter and seek it out with an open heart, on your own time. I have no desire to create a back and forth debate with you. I know you Love Jesus and Scripture and simply thought this may be an exciting matter to you.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, SabbathBlessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

SabbathBlessings; Please don't misunderstand me. I have given you a difficult time on other threads, by asking you to recall passages about Jesus. I wasn't doing this to be mean, but instead, because you have already made your mind up about what scripture says on this matter... and as commanded by scripture, I am not to charge at you like a bull, to bring about "Repentance". Therefore, I trust the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to lead you into the truth of this matter, whatever truth that may be, as you could be the correct one, here.

I encourage you to exegete Hebrews 4, on your own, without the aid of biblical commentary, but instead, with only scripture. Sit down with a biblical lexicon, like strongs. Use the internet cross reference features that will reveal similar scriptures to each verse of Hebrews 4. Have a biblical adventure with just you and Jesus, and read Hebrews 4 all the way through, while you exegete each verse, until you have zero questions about what each tiny word means and why it was chosen.

This is not me being a smug pain in the side. This is not me trying to sway you of a matter. This is me encouraging you to trust 1 John 2:27 on this matter and seek it out with an open heart, on your own time. I have no desire to create a back and forth debate with you. I know you Love Jesus and Scripture and simply thought this may be an exciting matter to you.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, SabbathBlessings

I have read it many times. I’ll suggest going through it verse by verse and you will not find one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath. Which is why no one ever posts the scripture. They say ’it’s there, trust me.’ I trust God only,. If you are going to study Hebrews 4 I recommend starting in Psalms 95 and then go to Hebrews 3. Also Ezekiel 20. Search the scriptures and let me know once you find the verse that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

God said:

The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.
Can’t get any plainer than this.


Didn’t change in Hebrews
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
It takes us right back to the Sabbath commandment where God wrote and spoke the Ten Commandment including the Sabbath commandment that remains for God’s people Heb 4:9NIV and the rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping.



Jesus said: The Sabbath was made for man.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil


6,“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


I am sticking with His Word as I love His name and want to joint myself to Him and be His servant and He blesses us when we keep His holy Sabbath as it shows we are God's people Eze 20:20.

 

[Grip Docility]

I have read it many times. I’ll suggest going through it verse by verse and you will not find one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath. If you are going to study Hebrews 4 I recommend starting in Psalms 95 and then go to Hebrews 3. Also Ezekiel 20. Search the scriptures and let me know once you find the verse that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

God said:

The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.
Didn’t change in Hebrews
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
It takes us right back to the Sabbath commandment that remains for God’s people Heb 4:9NIV and he rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping.



Jesus said: The Sabbath was made for man.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil


6,“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


I am sticking with His Words as I love His name and want to be His servant and He blesses us when we keep His holy Sabbath as it shows we are God's people Eze 20:20

2 Corinthians 3:15, 2 Corinthians 3:7, 1 Corinthians 15:55-57, Hebrews 2:14, The Stone Law Kills (Verses link)

 

[guevaraj]

I encourage you to exegete Hebrews 4, on your own, without the aid of biblical commentary, but instead, with only scripture. Sit down with a biblical lexicon, like strongs. Use the internet cross reference features that will reveal similar scriptures to each verse of Hebrews 4. Have a biblical adventure with just you and Jesus, and read Hebrews 4 all the way through, while you exegete each verse, until you have zero questions about what each tiny word means and why it was chosen.

Brother, Paul is teaching obedience to the Sabbath in the new covenant book of Hebrews where Paul tells us we will "fall" if we disobey like those that died in the desert during the 40 years God punished them for their disobedience! In the book of Hebrews, the Sabbath kept as the seventh day of the week is corrected from human tradition by telling us that, during the 40 years they kept the Sabbath with Manna, they kept the wrong Sabbath, which does not enter God's rest by being late by half a day when the Sabbath is earlier in Jerusalem than the seventh day of the week. Joshua did not get the Sabbath wrong in Jerusalem, that Jesus kept as our model "Spirit" to do the same as Jesus. Joshua got the days of the week wrong, which makes their human tradition of the Sabbath wrong everywhere beside Jerusalem.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. [/COLOR]God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

The days of the week during the 40 years in the desert were from morning to morning, as revealed in the following passage where they are given two portions of Manna on the previous day because there will be no Manna tomorrow. Importantly, the bad news that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the "evening" is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the "evening" before Manna is the first thing they will not have the next day. The quail not mentioned clearly shows the days of the week beginning in the morning.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Grip Docility]

Brother, Paul is teaching obedience to the Sabbath in the new covenant book of Hebrews where Paul tells us we will "fall" if we disobey like those that died in the desert during the 40 years God punished them for their disobedience! In the book of Hebrews, the Sabbath kept as the seventh day of the week is corrected from human tradition by telling us that, during the 40 years they kept the Sabbath with Manna, they kept the wrong Sabbath, which does not enter God's rest by being late by half a day when the Sabbath is earlier in Jerusalem than the seventh day of the week. Joshua did not get the Sabbath wrong in Jerusalem, that Jesus kept as our model "Spirit" to do the same as Jesus. Joshua got the days of the week wrong, which makes their human tradition of the Sabbath wrong everywhere beside Jerusalem.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. [/COLOR]God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

The days of the week during the 40 years in the desert were from morning to morning, as revealed in the following passage where they are given two portions of Manna on the previous day because there will be no Manna tomorrow. Importantly, the bad news that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the "evening" is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the "evening" before Manna is the first thing they will not have the next day. The quail not mentioned clearly shows the days of the week beginning in the morning.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, which is greater, Jesus or The Sabbath?

 

[Grip Docility]

Not what I asked. Post where in scripture it says Jesus is the Sabbath. Should be easy if it was there.

What did Jesus accomplish on the cross?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What did Jesus accomplish on the cross?

Is this your way of saying it’s not there? Can’t even prove one argument and want to skip to the next. Most do this over the Sabbath scripture, they never address all the thus saith the Lords- just go to the next argument never trying to harmonize God’s will for us. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. As stated all gets sorted soon enough, I pray we can all stand when Jesus comes. He is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4 and out of rebellion to Him Heb 3:15 will we listen? Once He comes all decisions made and fates sealed Rev 22:11. I believe He coming soon.

 

[Grip Docility]

Is this your way of saying it’s not there?

It's there. Only you can see it, if you study it for what it says. I cannot show it to you. You refused to exegete it privately by proudly declaring that you already understand it. What good would anything I say on the matter do, when you yourself claim to know it so clearly?

Will you even address this verse? Ephesians 2:15

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's there. Only you can see it, if you study it for what it says. I cannot show it to you. You refused to exegete it privately by proudly declaring that you already understand it. What good would anything I say on the matter do, when you yourself claim to know it so clearly?

Will you even address this verse? Ephesians 2:15

If it was there you would have posted it by now. I asked three times. You keep posting everything else drawing my attention elsewhere. If it was there, you would have posted it already. I’m happy to address any scripture after you post the scripture you claim is there that says Jesus is the Sabbath. It’s not there and so no point in continuing if you can’t admit it. Take care.

 

[Grip Docility]

Is this your way of saying it’s not there? Can’t even prove one argument and want to skip to the next. Most do this over the Sabbath scripture, they never address all the thus saith the Lords- just go to the next argument never trying to harmonize God’s will for us. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. As stated all gets sorted soon enough, I pray we can all stand when Jesus comes. He is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4 and our of rebellion to Him Heb 3:15 will we listen? Once He comes all decisions made and fates sealed Rev 22:11. I believe its soon.

You "think" that the Anti Christ is "Western", and will decree a "Sunday" Law, which is to be the "Mark of the Beast". I know this.

You think that the stone law makes you clean. You hope that the others that "Don't Keep that Law" are counted "More Sinful" than yourself, as you are taught that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is "Transgression of the Law". You fear that you may be lost, but hang your hope on Moses. I well understand your logic.

You "Believe" that keeping the Sabbath "SETS YOU APART". Why didn't keeping the laws contained within Deuteronomy 10 - Deuteronomy 31:26 not save "Unbelieving Israel"?

 

[Grip Docility]

If it was there you would have posted it by now. I asked three times. You keep posting everything else drawing my attention elsewhere. If it was there, you would have posted it already. I’m happy to address any scripture after you post the scripture you claim is there that says Jesus is the Sabbath. It’s not there and so no point in continuing if you can’t admit it. Take care.

You don't want to see a verse. You want to write your doctrines on top of any verse that I post. You could have exegeted Hebrews 4 for yourself, void of extrabiblical writings. But, instead, you choose to assure yourself that you know all that is to be known on this matter.

Blessings to you in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Grip Docility]

Please do not tell me what I believe. Only God knows that. You don’t seem to want to have an honest discussion.

Take care.

I actually know it, also, as my Father was a key minister within a very specific denomination.

 

[guevaraj]

Will you even address this verse? Ephesians 2:15

Brother, Paul knows that the Ten Commandments can be sabotaged by human laws, as in the story of Hagar, so that they don't take away sin. This sabotage is found in Judaism. For this reason, instead of focusing on obedience to the law of Judaism, as Judaism did by making up their own laws to help them obey the law of God, Paul focused on the purpose of the Ten Commandments to remove sin. By focusing on sin instead of obedience to the law of Judaism, Paul protects God's Ten Commandments from human laws that sabotage the purpose of God's law to take away sin when obeyed.

For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances (human laws), that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. (Ephesians 2:14-16 ESV)​

We need to do what God asks and not follow our own human laws, because God is not a "blind guide" to use laws to remove sin that our own laws do not remove. Judaism leads to death because they have substituted many of God's laws with their own laws that do not remove sin. Paul wants you to keep the law of God without talking about obedience to the law of Judaism when he focuses instead on the purpose of the law of God to take away sin when obeyed.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Grip Docility]

Brother, Paul knows that the Ten Commandments can be sabotaged by human laws, as in the story of Hagar, so that they don't take away sin. This sabotage is found in Judaism. For this reason, instead of focusing on obedience to the law of Judaism, as Judaism did by making up their own laws to help them obey the law of God, Paul focused on the purpose of the Ten Commandments to remove sin. By focusing on sin instead of obedience to the law of Judaism, Paul protects God's Ten Commandments from human laws that sabotage the purpose of God's law to take away sin when obeyed.

For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances (human laws), that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. (Ephesians 2:14-16 ESV)​

We need to do what God asks and not follow our own human laws, because God is not a "blind guide" to use laws to remove sin that our own laws do not remove. Judaism leads to death because they have substituted many of God's laws with their own laws that do not remove sin. Paul wants you to keep the law of God without talking about obedience to the law of Judaism when he focuses instead on the purpose of the law of God to take away sin when obeyed.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You just redefined a very important verse in scripture. You are basically saying that Jesus Christ failed, without realizing it. Do you understand what Jesus accomplished on the Cross? Do you know "who" uses the Law against man, according to scripture?

 

[guevaraj]

Do you understand what Jesus accomplished on the Cross?

Brother, Jesus accomplished being able to forgive at the cross. Forgiveness gives you as many chances as you need to grow in obedience. To have "believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" as the proper response to having "believed", which God calls "righteous". An example of someone who is not "righteous" is Cain, who refused to do what is right, letting sin control him.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

Under the new covenant, Abraham's "faith" that makes us right with God, unlike that of Cain = faith that begins with "believed" God's promise to help us overcome sin + the "righteous" action of obedience to God's Eleven Commandments to complete our "faith" as God helps us to overcome sin's eager control of us. "Faith" is composed of the two parts God mentions Abraham has: Abraham "believed" God's promise & the "righteous" action of obedience to God that he later showed he had to achieve the promise.

FAITH = BELIEVED + RIGHTEOUS​

God, Instead of saying of Abraham that he has the right "faith" in Genesis 15:6, God mentions the two equivalent parts that make up "faith": "believed" and "righteous". To be "righteous" emphasizes the second part of Abraham's proper "faith". It is written in the following passage that the demons "believed" God, trembling in terror, but like Cain above, do not obey God to have "faith", as Abraham was shown to be "righteous" in his obeying God to help him to father many nations. Abraham's "faith" would obey the Eleven Commandments as God helps him to overcome sin, as he helped him to father many nations. Jesus' many forgivenesses prevent our past disobedience from defeating our future obedience, which Jesus knows we can obey "all" the Eleven Commandments with practice to mastery. Practice like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls. Practice that is evidenced in the many animal sacrifices of the earthly stand-in copy of the true temple in heaven. Where Jesus dispenses His many forgivenesses as our High Priest for our past sins when we pray for forgiveness. Jesus lives forever to complete the mastery through practice of obedience to the Eleven Commandments. In the following passage, the translators added the word "faith", not found in the original. By adding the word faith, the translators highlighted God's deliberate act of not mentioning the word "faith", because the equivalent of "faith" is the two parts that God mentioned Abraham had from the beginning, but we humans cannot say that Abraham was "righteous", until his obeying "faith" was shown when he offered his son Isaac on the alter.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT fixed)​

The "righteous" part of Abraham's "faith" after he "believed" God, was tested in the following passage and showed Abraham's complete "faith" in God, which God knew was there before we humans could say, through the offering of his son Isaac on the altar, that Abraham is "righteous" in him obeying God as his response to having "believed" God's promise. It is only said of Abraham that he had "faith" when he obeyed and not before he obeyed when he first "believed". "Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" God and we are saved by "faith" that acts "righteous", obeying God's Eleven Commandments that remove sin when obeyed and not by our having believed alone as demons also believed and are lost because they do not "obey" the Eleven Commandments that overcome sin when obeyed!

It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, even though God had told him, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted.” Abraham reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead. (Hebrews 11:17-19 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Grip Docility]

Brother, Jesus accomplished being able to forgive at the cross. Forgiveness gives you as many chances as you need to grow in obedience. To have "believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" as the proper response to having "believed", which God calls "righteous". An example of someone who is not "righteous" is Cain, who refused to do what is right, letting sin control him.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

Under the new covenant, Abraham's "faith" that makes us right with God, unlike that of Cain = faith that begins with "believed" God's promise to help us overcome sin + the "righteous" action of obedience to God's Eleven Commandments to complete our "faith" as God helps us to overcome sin's eager control of us. "Faith" is composed of the two parts God mentions Abraham has: Abraham "believed" God's promise & the "righteous" action of obedience to God that he later showed he had to achieve the promise.

FAITH = BELIEVED + RIGHTEOUS​

God, Instead of saying of Abraham that he has the right "faith" in Genesis 15:6, God mentions the two equivalent parts that make up "faith": "believed" and "righteous". To be "righteous" emphasizes the second part of Abraham's proper "faith". It is written in the following passage that the demons "believed" God, trembling in terror, but like Cain above, do not obey God to have "faith", as Abraham was shown to be "righteous" in his obeying God to help him to father many nations. Abraham's "faith" would obey the Eleven Commandments as God helps him to overcome sin, as he helped him to father many nations. Jesus' many forgivenesses prevent our past disobedience from defeating our future obedience, which Jesus knows we can obey "all" the Eleven Commandments with practice to mastery. Practice like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls. Practice that is evidenced in the many animal sacrifices of the earthly stand-in copy of the true temple in heaven. Where Jesus dispenses His many forgivenesses as our High Priest for our past sins when we pray for forgiveness. Jesus lives forever to complete the mastery through practice of obedience to the Eleven Commandments. In the following passage, the translators added the word "faith", not found in the original. By adding the word faith, the translators highlighted God's deliberate act of not mentioning the word "faith", because the equivalent of "faith" is the two parts that God mentioned Abraham had from the beginning, but we humans cannot say that Abraham was "righteous", until his obeying "faith" was shown when he offered his son Isaac on the alter.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT fixed)​

The "righteous" part of Abraham's "faith" after he "believed" God, was tested in the following passage and showed Abraham's complete "faith" in God, which God knew was there before we humans could say, through the offering of his son Isaac on the altar, that Abraham is "righteous" in him obeying God as his response to having "believed" God's promise. It is only said of Abraham that he had "faith" when he obeyed and not before he obeyed when he first "believed". "Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" God and we are saved by "faith" that acts "righteous", obeying God's Eleven Commandments that remove sin when obeyed and not by our having believed alone as demons also believed and are lost because they do not "obey" the Eleven Commandments that overcome sin when obeyed!

It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, even though God had told him, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted.” Abraham reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead. (Hebrews 11:17-19 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, the blood of bulls and goats provided that EXACT forgiveness.

How much value would you say, the very blood of God has in reference to “forgiveness” of a real live sinner?

Is that Blood powerful enough to save a sinner from birth to death?

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, the blood of bulls and goats provided that EXACT forgiveness.

Brother, that is because they represented the future death of Jesus.

How much value would you say, the very blood of God has in reference to “forgiveness” of a real live sinner?

It takes away the past disobedience of that sinner to encourage growth in obedience to God.

Is that Blood powerful enough to save a sinner from birth to death?

No, you must obey, but you cannot escape your past disobedience without Jesus' forgiveness of past sins. We grow out of sin, like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls.

Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. (Hebrews 7:23-26 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Grip Docility]

Brother, that is because they represented the future death of Jesus.

It takes away the past disobedience of that sinner to encourage growth in obedience to God.

No, you must obey, but you cannot escape your past disobedience without Jesus' forgiveness of past sins. We grow out of sin, like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls.

Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. (Hebrews 7:23-26 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

So, to recap, you limit the power of The Blood of God.

Let’s go two for two… Would you say that we “can obey” God and be perfect like God, as Jesus Christ, did and was?