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The Rule of Scripture ("Sola Scriptura" as Luther and Calvin called it)

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The Rule of Scripture in Norming (What Luther and Calvin called "Sola Scriptura")




The Definition:


The Rule of Scripture is the practice of embracing Scripture as the rule ("straight edge") - canon ("measuring stick") - norma normans (the norm that norms) as it is called in epistemology, as we examine and evaluate the positions (especially doctrines) among us.


Here is the official, historic definition:
"The Scriptures are and should remain the sole rule in the norming of all doctrine among us" (Lutheran Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm, 9). "We pledge ourselves to the prophetic and apostolic writings of the Old and New Testaments as the pure and clear fountain of Israel, which is the only true norm according to which all teachers and teachings are to be judged" (ditto, 3).




What it IS
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1. An embrace of accountability for the doctrines among us (especially those in dispute).


2. An embrace of norming (the process of examining positions for truth, correctness, validity).


3. An embrace of Scripture as the best, most sound rule/canon/norma normans for this process.



What it is NOT
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1. A teaching that all revelation or truth is found in Scripture. It's not a teaching at all, it is the PRACTICE of using Scripture as the rule in the norming of doctrines. Scripture itself says that "the heavens declare the glory of God" but our visual reception of the stars is not used as the norma normans for the evaluation of doctrines among us in the practice of Sola Scriptura.


2. A teaching that Scripture is "finished." It's not a teaching at all. While probably all that practice Sola Scripture agree with all others that God seems to have inscribed His last book around 100 AD and doens't seem to be adding any more books, the Rule of Scripture was just as "valid" in 1400 BC when Scripture consisted of just two stone tablets as it is today - only the corpus of Scripture is larger, that has no impact on the practice of embracing it as the rule/canon/norma normans in our evaluation of doctrines among us. The Rule of Scripture embraces the Scripture that is.


3. Hermeneutics. The Rule of Scripture has to do with WHAT is the most sound rule/canon/norma normans for the evaluation of the doctrines among us, it is not a hermeneutical principle. Obviously that Scripture needs to be interpreted, but that's a different subject or another day and thread. The Rule of Scripture has to do with norming, not interpreting.


4. Arbitration. Obviously, some process of determining whether the doctrine under review "measures up" (arbitration) to the "measuring stick" (the canon). This is also beyond the scope here, the Rule of Scripture is the embrace of Scripture AS that canon, it does not address the issue of HOW it is best determined if a position "measures up" to that canon.





An illustration:



Let's say Dave and Fred are neighbors. They decided that they will hire a contractor to build a brick wall on their property line, six feet tall. Dave and Fred hire Bob the Builder. He agrees to build the wall on the property line - six feet tall.

Bob is now done. He claims the wall is six feet tall. Does it matter? If it doesn't, if his work and claim are entirely MOOT - then, nope - truth doesn't matter. And can just ignore what he said and did. OR we can consider that of the nearly 7 billion people in the world, there is ONE who is incapable of being wrong about measurements - and that ONE is Bob the Builder, claims ONE - Bob the Builder. IF Bob the Builder alone is right about what he alone claims about he alone here, it's pretty much a waste of time to wonder if what he said about this is true or not. But, IF truth matters and IF Bob the Builder will permit accountability (perhaps because he is confident the wall IS six feet tall), then we have the issue of accountability: Is the wall what we desire and what Bob the Builder claims it is?


If so, we just embraced norming. Norming is the process of determining correctness of the positions among us. For example, Bob claiming the wall is 6 feet tall. Is that correct? Addressing that question is norming.



Norming typically involves a norm: WHAT will serve as the rule (straight edge) or canon (measuring stick) - WHAT will be embraced by all parties involved in the normative process that is the reliable standard, the plumbline. Perhaps in the case of Fred and Dave, they embrace a standard Sears Measuring Tape. They both have one, Bob does too. Dave, Fred and Bob consider their carpenter's Sears Measuring Tape as reliable for this purpose, it's OBJECTIVE (all 3 men can read the numbers), it's UNALTERABLE (none of the 3 can change what the tape says) and it's OUTSIDE and ABOVE and BEYOND all 3 parties. Using that could be called "The Rule of the Measuring Tape." The Sears Measuring Tape would be the "canon" (the word means 'measuring stick') for this normative process.




Why Scripture?



In epistemology (regardless of discipline), the most sound norma normans is usually regarded as the most objective, most knowable by all and alterable by none, the most universally embraced by all parties as reliable for this purpose. My degree is in physics. Our norma normans is math and repeatable, objective, laborative evidence. Me saying, "what I think is the norm for what I think" will be instantly disregarded as evidential since it's both moot and circular. I would need to evidence and substantiate my view with a norm fully OUTSIDE and ABOVE and BEYOND me - something objective and knowable. This is what The Handbook of the Catholic Faith proclaims (page136), "The Bible is the very words of God and no greater assurance of credence can be given. The Bible was inspired by God. Exactly what does that mean? It means that God Himself is the Author of the Bible. God inspired the penmen to write as He wished.... the authority of the Bible flows directly from the Author of the Bible who is God; it is authoritative because the Author is." Those that accept the Rule of Scripture tend to agree. It's embrace as the most sound Rule flows from our common embrace of Scripture as the inscriptured words of God for God is the ultimate authority.

The embrace of Scripture as the written words of God is among the most historic, ecumenical, universal embraces in all of Christianity. We see this as reliable, dependable, authoritative - it as a very, very, broad and deep embrace as such - typically among all parties involved in the evaluation. (See the illustration above).


It is knowable by all and alterable by none. We can all see the very words of Romans 3:25 for example, they are black letters on a white page - knowable! And they are unalterable. I can't change what is on the page in Romans 3:25, nor can any other; what is is.


It is regarded as authoritative and reliable. It is knowable by all and alterable by none. Those that reject the Rule of Scripture in norming ( the RCC and LDS, for example ) have no better alternative (something more inspired, more inerrant, more ecumenically/historically embraced by all parties, more objectively knowable, more unalterable), they have no alternative that is clearly more sound for this purpose among us.


To simply embrace the teachings of self (sometimes denominational "tradition" or "confession") as the rule/canon is simply self looking in the mirror at self - self almost always reveals self. In communist Cuba, Castro agrees with Castro - it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether Castro is correct. We need a Rule outside, beyond, above self.




Why do some so passionately reject it?



Those that reject the Rule of Scripture in norming tend to do so not because they reject Scripture or have an alternative that is MORE inerrant, MORE the inscripturated words of God, MORE reliable, MORE objectively knowable, MORE unalterable, MORE ecumenically embraced as authoriative. Rather the rejection tends to be because each rejects accountability (and thus norming and any norm in such) in the sole, singular, exclusive, particular, unique case of self alone. From The Handbook of the Catholic Faith (page 151), "When the Catholic is asked for the substantiation for his belief, the correct answer is: From the teaching authority. This authority consists of the bishops of The Catholic Church in connection with the Catholic Pope in Rome. The faithful are thus freed from the typically Protestant question of 'is it true' and instead rests in quiet confidence that whatever the Catholic Church teaches is the teaching of Jesus Himself since Jesus said, 'whoever hears you hears me'." The Catholic Church itself says in the Catechism of itself (#87): Mindful of Christ's words to his apostles: “He who hears you, hears me”, The faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their [Catholic] pastors give them in different forms." IF self declares that self is unaccountable and that self is exempt from the issue of truthfulness, then the entire issue of norming (and the embraced norma normans in such) becomes moot (for self). The issue has been changed from truth to power (claimed by self for self).



I hope that helps extend understanding of this praxis.




I humbly request that discussions of the praxis are in accord with the definition herein offered (it's useless to argue with what is not suggested)
. Thank you!



Pax




- Josiah








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If this were true, what would it's adherents look like? Would they be of one heart and one mind?
I would think so.
Revelation 17 is an interesting read concerning that :wave:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1106&t=KJV
Strong's Number G1106 matches the Greek γνώμη (gnōmē), which occurs 9 times in 8 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

NKJV] Reve 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
13 "These are of one mind/gnwmhn <1106>, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose/gnwmhn <1106>, to be of one mind/gnwmhn <1106>, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
 
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If this were true, what would it's adherents look like? Would they be of one heart and one mind?

I suspect you mean practitioner....

One would HOPE they'd be one in heart at least in the sense of embracing humility and accountability - since the practice of Sola Scriptura is based and founded on that. But, I sadly admit, for all the GREAT IRONY of it, Christians aren't especially known for being humble about their doctrines, etc...

Being of "one mind" depends how thin you slice that! ALL Christians have never agreed on ALL matters. It's never been the case, still isn't, and I'm not sure it ever will be (even in heaven). PART of the reason for that is that all not issues are clearly addressed in Scripture and because there is (no longer - MAYBE there was 1200 years ago +) any ecumenical arbitrative process - all we have is a denominational arbitration (the RCC alone can arbitrate for the RCC alone, the LDS can arbitrate for the LDS alone, etc. - but nothing beyond that since round 800 anyway). NONETHELESS, my own personal experience has been that I agree with my ubercalvinist friend with the practice of Sola Scriptura far, far, far more than I agree with my Mormon friend with the rejection of any norming or norm or accountability but rather with quiet docilic submission to his denomination.



Thank you!


Pax


- Josiah





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After reading most of what is written above....can you put in a few simple sentences what it is that you want in this thread?

Sure...

An understanding of what the practice is (and is not).
An advancement in understanding.


As one who has participated in Catholicism and now in Protestantism (I'm now Lutheran), it is MY experience that misunderstandings abound (about equally on both "sides" IMO) - and this is one of those issues where my Catholic brothers and sisters seem to have some considerable confusion (quite understandable, btw). I hope this helps - cuz I'm a nice and helpful guy, lol


Thank you for your question! :)


Blessings!


- Josiah





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Sure...

An understanding of what the practice is (and is not).
An advancement in understanding.


As one who has participated in Catholicism and now in Protestantism (I'm now Lutheran), it is MY experience that misunderstandings abound (about equally on both "sides" IMO) - and this is one of those issues where my Catholic brothers and sisters seem to have some considerable confusion (quite understandable, btw). I hope this helps - cuz I'm a nice and helpful guy, lol


Thank you for your question! :)


Blessings!


- Josiah





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Thanks for clarifying it for me. I know for me....I've always been Baptist...so I don't understand all that the Catholics believe and where they come up with all their beliefs....so it will be interesting to follow this thread! :D
 
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I suspect you mean practitioner....

One would HOPE they'd be one in heart at least in the sense of embracing humility and accountability - since the practice of Sola Scriptura is based and founded on that. But, I sadly admit, for all the GREAT IRONY of it, Christians aren't especially known for being humble about their doctrines, etc...

Being of "one mind" depends how thin you slice that! ALL Christians have never agreed on ALL matters. It's never been the case, still isn't, and I'm not sure it ever will be (even in heaven). PART of the reason for that is that all not issues are clearly addressed in Scripture and because there is (no longer - MAYBE there was 1200 years ago +) any ecumenical arbitrative process - all we have is a denominational arbitration (the RCC alone can arbitrate for the RCC alone, the LDS can arbitrate for the LDS alone, etc. - but nothing beyond that since round 800 anyway). NONETHELESS, my own personal experience has been that I agree with my ubercalvinist friend with the practice of Sola Scriptura far, far, far more than I agree with my Mormon friend with the rejection of any norming or norm or accountability but rather with quiet docilic submission to his denomination.



Thank you!


Pax


- Josiah





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It seems like they would agree on at least enough to worship together...
 
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I sorta doubt that RC will respond, so ...


"Why do some so passionately reject it?


Those that reject the Rule of Scripture in norming tend to do so not because they reject Scripture or have an alternative that is MORE inerrant, MORE the inscripturated words of God, MORE reliable, MORE objectively knowable, MORE unalterable, MORE ecumenically embraced as authoriative. Rather the rejection tends to be because each rejects accountability (and thus norming and any norm in such) in the sole, singular, exclusive, particular, unique case of self alone. From The Handbook of the Catholic Faith (page 151), "When the Catholic is asked for the substantiation for his belief, the correct answer is: From the teaching authority. This authority consists of the bishops of The Catholic Church in connection with the Catholic Pope in Rome. The faithful are thus freed from the typically Protestant question of 'is it true' and instead rests in quiet confidence that whatever the Catholic Church teaches is the teaching of Jesus Himself since Jesus said, 'whoever hears you hears me'." The Catholic Church itself says in the Catechism of itself (#87): Mindful of Christ's words to his apostles: &#8220;He who hears you, hears me&#8221;, The faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their [Catholic] pastors give them in different forms." IF self declares that self is unaccountable and that self is exempt from the issue of truthfulness, then the entire issue of norming (and the embraced norma normans in such) becomes moot (for self). The issue has been changed from truth to power (claimed by self for self). "
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RC does not claim that it is unaccountable. All of its dogmas and teachings may be traced explicitely or implicitely to scripture. But RC will use other things because scripture does not claim it is sufficient, like we do. Doctrine develops.
 
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How is Sola Scripture NOT the self looking back at itself, using your logic? You have said that the canon was determined by consensus and God working through this consensus (it was in another thread, I hope I reconstructed your thought accurately) and that is acceptable. Does this mean that Christians created their own norm, giving themselves their own rule of faith? No you say, because then it would not be something that has been received from God and therefore it is not a proper norm at all.

Yet the consensus of Christians is how we received the canon. Would you agree with me that in producing the canon God worked through a body/the church (in this case, the consensus of believers)? So if He has done so before, why can't this be His usual mode of operation? Why is it acceptable for God to use the Christian community to produce the canon but not to preserve true doctrine in the way Catholics believe He does (e.g., belief in the Church's infallibility)?

Let's use Scripture as a norm, though, and ask it what our norm should be.

*consults Scripture*

"...the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).

That seems look a good place to start with me. Because when Scripture talks about the Body of Christ, I believe He really does have a Body on Earth. Where does the life of the Body come from? Can it have any life apart from Christ? Can the Body move or speak independently of Christ? When we talk about the Body of Christ, are we talking about a REAL, ontological union between the Head and the Body, or are we throwing around empty phrases?

(I hope those first two paragraphs came out right. If not, please ask me to clarify.)
 
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How is Sola Scripture NOT the self looking back at itself, using your logic? You have said that the canon was determined by consensus and God working through this consensus (it was in another thread, I hope I reconstructed your thought accurately) and that is acceptable. Does this mean that Christians created their own norm, giving themselves their own rule of faith? No you say, because then it would not be something that has been received from God and therefore it is not a proper norm at all.

Yet the consensus of Christians is how we received the canon. Would you agree with me that in producing the canon God worked through a body/the church (in this case, the consensus of believers)? So if He has done so before, why can't this be His usual mode of operation? Why is it acceptable for God to use the Christian community to produce the canon but not to preserve true doctrine in the way Catholics believe He does (e.g., belief in the Church's infallibility)?

Let's use Scripture as a norm, though, and ask it what our norm should be.

*consults Scripture*

"...the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).

That seems look a good place to start with me. Because when Scripture talks about the Body of Christ, I believe He really does have a Body on Earth. Where does the life of the Body come from? Can it have any life apart from Christ? Can the Body move or speak independently of Christ? When we talk about the Body of Christ, are we talking about a REAL, ontological union between the Head and the Body, or are we throwing around empty phrases?

(I hope those first two paragraphs came out right. If not, please ask me to clarify.)

Ah I see, so even by using scriptura as a sole authority, we end right back full circle with the church as the authority, since scripture refers to it as such! Interesting...
 
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RC does not claim that it is unaccountable. All of its dogmas and teachings may be traced explicitely or implicitely to scripture. But RC will use other things because scripture does not claim it is sufficient, like we do. Doctrine develops.[/quote]


Technically, the RCC claims that what it itself proclaims (under certain conditions) is infallible and is the very word of God. Thus, it is unaccountable. Read CCC 87, etc., etc.

As we read the typical RCC reaction, it is NOT that Scripture is too unreliable or that it has an alternative norma normans for norming that is MORE inspired by God, MORE reliable, MORE inerrant, MORE objectively knowable by all and unalterable by all, MORE historically and ecumenically embraced, no. The typical objection is that when the RCC speaks (conditionally), God is speaking - thus what is mandated is docilic submission to it NOT accountability and norming and ANY "norma normans/rule/canon" in such. While noncatholics typically speak of accountability and truth, the RCC is instead speaking of the power it itself claims that it has and why the issue should rather be quiet submission to such. Accountability is central to understanding the issue here - both for those that embrace of the rule of Scripture and those that rejection of it.

That said (and it is needed), my desire is that the thrust of discussion be on a better understanding of the practice (including it's foundation: an embrace of accountability).



Thank you!


Pax


- Josiah






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Ah I see, so even by using scriptura as a sole authority, we end right back full circle with the church as the authority, since scripture refers to it as such! Interesting...

1. Sola Scriptura is the practice of embracing Scripture as the rule as we evaluate the truthfulness/correctness/validity of doctrines among us.

2. No, when a Protestant looks to a rule OUTSIDE, ABOVE, BEYOND self - that is not the same as self declaring self to be the sole authority or the views of self as the rule for the views of self.




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1. Sola Scriptura is the practice of embracing Scripture as the rule as we evaluate the truthfulness/correctness/validity of doctrines among us.

2. No, when a Protestant looks to a rule OUTSIDE, ABOVE, BEYOND self - that is not the same as self declaring self to be the sole authority or the views of self as the rule for the views of self.




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But where did Scripture come from? Everyone must accept that God used the community to preserve the inspired canon. Everyone must accept that the community was preserved from error in determining this inspired canon from the non-inspired. Otherwise, how can we trust Scripture as any sort of norm, let alone the sole norm?

So we can agree that, in determining the inspired canon, God operated through the community to make the truth known. (I will avoid the word "Church" here so that we don't have any prejudices.) The only difference between Protestants and Apostolic Christians is that for the former this was the exception and for the latter it's the rule - God's modus operandi.

So again I have to ask, how is the doctrine of the Church being the infallible guide in faith and morals any different from the historical fact of the canon? If the early community was preserved from error in determining the canon, why is it suddenly self-aggrandizing or unaccountable to say the Church is preserved from error in its deposit of faith?
 
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Josiah said:
1. Sola Scriptura is the practice of embracing Scripture as the rule as we evaluate the truthfulness/correctness/validity of doctrines among us.

2. No, when a Protestant looks to a rule OUTSIDE, ABOVE, BEYOND self - that is not the same as self declaring self to be the sole authority or the views of self as the rule for the views of self.

But where did Scripture come from?

A good question - and if there is interest in discussing the Doctrine of Scripture and/or the embrace of the canon of books, perhaps someone would like to begin a thread on that.

This thread is about the practice in norming (evaluating the correctness/ validity/ truthfulness of doctrines among us) by embracing Scripture as the rule or canon or norma normans (as it's technically called). In the Rule of Law, the law is embraced. It is not a part of the practice to include who or how or when those laws are enacted. Or in my discipline (physics) we use math and observable laborative evidence - the practice of embracing such doesn't include how and when mathematics developed or where it came from. Again, this issue is the embrace of Scripture as the rule, not from where did Scripture spring (although I quoted for you the RCC position).



Read this....



Josiah said:
Why Scripture?


In epistemology (regardless of discipline), the most sound norma normans is usually regarded as the most objective, most knowable by all and alterable by none, the most universally embraced by all parties as reliable for this purpose. My degree is in physics. Our norma normans is math and repeatable, objective, laborative evidence. Me saying, "what I think is the norm for what I think" will be instantly disregarded as evidential since it's both moot and circular. I would need to evidence and substantiate my view with a norm fully OUTSIDE and ABOVE and BEYOND me - something objective and knowable.

This is what The Handbook of the Catholic Faith proclaims (page136), "The Bible is the very words of God and no greater assurance of credence can be given. The Bible was inspired by God. Exactly what does that mean? It means that God Himself is the Author of the Bible. God inspired the penmen to write as He wished.... the authority of the Bible flows directly from the Author of the Bible who is God; it is authoritative because the Author is." Those that accept the Rule of Scripture tend to agree. It's embrace as the most sound Rule flows from our common embrace of Scripture as the inscriptured words of God for God is the ultimate authority.

The embrace of Scripture as the written words of God is among the most historic, ecumenical, universal embraces in all of Christianity. We see this as reliable, dependable, authoritative - it as a very, very, broad and deep embrace as such - typically among all parties involved in the evaluation. (See the illustration above).


It is knowable by all and alterable by none. We can all see the very words of Romans 3:25 for example, they are black letters on a white page - knowable! And they are unalterable. I can't change what is on the page in Romans 3:25, nor can any other; what is is.


It is regarded as authoritative and reliable. It is knowable by all and alterable by none. Those that reject the Rule of Scripture in norming ( the RCC and LDS, for example ) have no better alternative (something more inspired, more inerrant, more ecumenically/historically embraced by all parties, more objectively knowable, more unalterable), they have no alternative that is clearly more sound for this purpose among us.


To simply embrace the teachings of self (sometimes denominational "tradition" or "confession") as the rule/canon is simply self looking in the mirror at self - self almost always reveals self. In communist Cuba, Castro agrees with Castro - it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether Castro is correct. We need a Rule outside, beyond, above self.











So again I have to ask, how is the doctrine of the Church being the infallible guide in faith and morals any different from the historical fact of the canon?
Your denomination did not determine what is or is not Scripture (except for itself exclusively at the Council of Trent in the 16th century). The Israelites did not need the RCC to tell them that the Ten Commandments are Scripture. Jesus did not need the RCC to tell Him what is Scripture the 50+ times He referred to such (often with that very word). And the reality that no other denomination agrees with the RCC on what is or is not Scripture (since Trent anyway) does not mean that ergo it establsihed such for everyone.


Thank you very much!


Pax


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As it was understood by Luther and company, Scripture as a kind of measuring stick seems quite reasonable, and it is easy to see why they embraced it. After all, how else could they sort out the morass of practices that were clearly problematic that were claimed as correct by what was then the institutional Church in the West? There was no way to go back to the beginning and figure out for sure what was authentic or not. The Fathers were helpful, but not always enough. Scripture as a rule seems very sensble - it's clearly written down, documented, and doesn't change. The Church could use it to sort out what was what.

So in this model, there is kind of a dual authority and symbiotic relationship between Scripture on the one hand, and the Church throughout time and space on the other.

If this was the correct model, we would expect to see the vast majority of Christians agreeing on the essential issues, and counting the inessentials as pious opinion. The others would be clear heretics.

I'm not sure though, from Luther's POV, if that is what has happened though. Within his lifetime he was complaining about individuals thinking they could interpret Scripture personally. Very quickly we see the Christian community brgin to fragment. This is a real problem though for Luther's model, because when we ask ourself "who is the Church" we no longer have a good answer.

In fact, we seem to have more confusion now than existed when Luther was ejected from the Catholic Church, and I am sure he'd be as horrified by the methods and theology of the average American Evangelical as he was by the Catholic Church of his day. Is SS really more successful than what came before?

All of which makes me think that maybe as a method it isn't all it's cracked up to be.
 
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