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You seem to forget in the verses Paul says Jesus Christ was mighty IN them also and that they have Jesus Christ in them also.Paul was defending his apostleship here. Apostles were authorized spokesmen of Christ. We are not apostles (despite you presumptuously claiming to be one).
im so glad he does .else how would i hear his voice ,thus being one of his sheep.You seem to forget in the verses Paul says Jesus Christ was right IN them also and that they have Jesus Christ in them also.
This section clearly answers this whole post for any who disagree showing that Jesus Christ speaks in us. And not just in apostles.
You seem to forget in the verses Paul says Jesus Christ was night IN them also and that they have Jesus Christ in them also.
This section clearly answers this whole post for any who disagree showing that Jesus Chrust speaks in us. And not just in apostles.
Thehave need of repentance.. (the changing of the mind) and are thus far unwilling to do so.
You really should quote a persons whole post to present a level of honesty.Since when has hermeneutically accurate bible exegesis been a sin?
You really should quote a persons whole post to present a level of honesty.
Can you quote where i said that..nope. you misrepresent the posts then attempt to refute what was not said.
Odd how you think its sin ...Then what is my sin that I need to repent of?
It's the Holy Spirit that dwells in us, not Jesus Christ.
Again you are in error here, Paul said,It does not say "Christ speaks in us". It says Christ spoke in Paul, who was an apostle.
When you say "we" are not apostles. I certainly agree that you are not one. But don't speak for others gifts and callings. Paul seem to have some who did similar where he saidPaul was defending his apostleship here. Apostles were authorized spokesmen of Christ. We are not apostles (despite you presumptuously claiming to be one).
Because we are to prove all things, Some may have a true leading and gift and others may not or may be going beyond what God sows them. and Paul wrote,Why would a prophecy from the Lord need to be judged by the body? It was either God speaking or it was a false prophecy.
The section I quoted is not in Numbers. There is nothing specifically about prophets in the verses i quoted. This is general for all men in what I quoted.That is referring to God speaking to man via prophecy.
Numbers 12:6 "If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream."
Odd how you think its sin ...
The word repent is from the greek metanoia ..to change the mind.
We all must repent of our own ways and minds and actions and philosophies and be renewed by the renewing of our minds.. This can never happen when a person is refusing to forsake thier own way and learn Gods ways.
Not so scripture is clear in this area.
“5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"(2 Cor 13:2-5 KJV)
Again you are in error here, Paul said,
"3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, and which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you..."
[Here Paul says that Christ was mighty in them as well (in the ones who had the knowledge of God for some did not have the knowledge of God (1 Cor 15:34), this is clear here. Paul said they sought a proof that Christ speaking in him but he says he was mighty in them as well, this is to say that Jesus Christ was speaking in them also and the word of God came forth from them mightily at times]
"4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also..."
[Paul again identifies what he was saying and Christ speaking in him with them as well for both of them had Jesus Christ in them]
"...are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you. 5 Examine yourselves,..."
[now Paul is dealing with the ones who may have had a profession and not the reality of Jesus Christ in them or they may have been believers and had not come to know that this reality of Jesus Christ in them speaking which is also for them to walk in as well]
"...whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves,..."
[there seems to be two groups here ones who did know that Jesus Christ spoke in them and who were mighty in him and the others who like some today may not believe that Jesus Christ is in them and speaks in them and may have questioned Paul in this and said "prove that Jesus Christ speaks in you". So Paul questions them in this and ask them that "know ye NOT that Jesus Christ is in you (and speaks in you and is mighty in you in context) This is part of the evidence that we are in the faith, if not we are reprobates.
This may be like some today who know the reality of Jesus Christ in them and leading them and speaking in them and others who may or may not be in the faith who are not aware of this reality. In fact this section is directly related to all things we have been discussing.]
how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"(2Cor 13:3-5 KJV)
Paul said of the Corinthians,
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?"
this is showing that they had Christ also speaking in them and His word came out from them as well.
When you say "we" are not apostles. I certainly agree that you are not one. But don't speak for others gifts and callings. Paul seem to have some who did similar where he said
1 Corinthians 9:2
If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord."
"3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me,..."
But Paul said
"Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead"
If some claim to be in the "teacher gift" to the church or "the pastor gift" to the church, this is equally tested and from God or not. The only reference we have in the NT for pastors (as a noun) is in Ephesians 4:11. The other gifts for the church are mentioned there as well such as apostle, prophets, evangelist , pastors and teachers. If we get rid of two of them there then we must get rid of pastors as well for they are only mentioned in that verse.
But this would be wrong for they are all still needed for the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto the perfect man. In every church we will see an order from God. Paul said God set some in the church (this was a different church than the one he wrote to in the book of Ephesians) firstly apostles, secondly prophets third teachers...So the gifts to the church are still needed in every church.
Because we are to prove all things, Some may have a true leading and gift and others may not or may be going beyond what God sows them. and Paul wrote,
"29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge."(1 Cor 14:29 KJV)
"6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;"(Romans 12:6 KJV)
"20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.( 1 Thess 5:20,21 KJV)
The section I quoted is not in Numbers. There is nothing specifically about prophets in the verses i quoted. This is general for all men in what I quoted.
We also see that the dreams and visions are for all the believers, and not just prophets (though God can also speak to prophets this way. Your assuming too much and trying to create an idea and disregard the broader application which the text I used applies to. This is not proper in studying scripture and applying it.
Here is your correction with the other scriptures I previously quoted,
Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
Not accurate as scripture corrects you againChrist "in" you is the Spirit of Christ, that is the Holy Spirit.
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