The rise of socialism in America

[Postvieww]

Good point. I have not observed much in the way of a 'rise of socialism in America'.

I have observed a great deal fear and loathing of a perception of socialism as an evil thing come amongst you.

Still waiting for the education on socialism. Educate us on the benefits or draw backs.

 

[hislegacy]

With respect, Churchill was not offering a definition of socialism. I think he believed what he said, but it was actually a piece of rhetoric during a (failed) election campaign. He tried to compare the Labour Party leader, Attlee, as another Stalin. The Labour Party went on to win in 1945. And yes, his words were said in fear of that victory. It was not his finest hour!

Was it fear or hatred?

 

[Whyayeman]

Was it fear or hatred?

I doubt if there was either fear or hatred at the personal level; Churchill was campaigning to win the election. It is true that he was not sympathetic to Labour's radical manifesto.

Churchill was Prime Minister from 1940 to 1945. Attlee was Deputy Prime Minister throughout that period and played a vital role in the government's war effort.

 

[Whyayeman]

Still waiting for the education on socialism. Educate us on the benefits or draw backs.

I am waiting for responses about the nature of brotherhood.

I do not propose to suggest any definitions of socialism or presume to 'educate'. The one that has been offered already is laughable.

 

[Postvieww]

I am waiting for responses about the nature of brotherhood.

I do not propose to suggest any definitions of socialism or presume to 'educate'. The one that has been offered already is laughable.

If you consider it laughable you must believe you have a better one. So prove your point or not . You do not need to ask questions to state your belief.

 

[Postvieww]

Definition of SOCIALISM

Here is a dictionary definition>

"socialism
noun
so·cial·ism ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a
: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b
: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"

Whyayeman do you agree or not?

 

[hislegacy]

Ask 15 proponents of socialism for a definition and you get 25 different definitions.

There is no agreed on definition, how can you support it?

 

[Whyayeman]

Ask 15 proponents of socialism for a definition and you get 25 different definitions.

There is no agreed on definition, how can you support it?

Ask 15 proponents of Christianity for a definition and you get 25 different definitions.
There is no agreed on definition, how can you support it?

Ask 15 proponents of Liberalism for a definition and you get 25 different definitions.
There is no agreed on definition, how can you support it?

That is the trouble with contested concepts.

 

[Whyayeman]

Definition of SOCIALISM

Here is a dictionary definition>

"socialism
noun
so·cial·ism ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a
: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b
: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"

Whyayeman do you agree or not?

There is nothing for me to agree or disagree about. It is pretty comprehensive.

To return to the original post: which, if any, of the above categories of socialism 'is on the rise in America'?

I haven't really noticed any. Perhaps somebody could list some socialistic developments and we can see how far they fit with any definitions of socialism we might suggest.

 

[Whyayeman]

why do liberals bring up fear and loathing virtually every time someone mentions a failed liberal agenda like socialism?

Socialism and Liberalism are not the same thing here. (I think Americans use the word Liberal as a euphemism. Another example of two countries divided by a common language?)

 

[hislegacy]

Socialism and Liberalism are not the same thing here. (I think Americans use the word Liberal as a euphemism. Another example of two countries divided by a common language?)

no. Here in the US Socialist and Liberal are part and parcel of the same party.

There are five in Congress who self described as Democratic Socialist

List of Democratic Socialists of America members who have held office in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Ana the Ist]

inaccurate in reality.

What is? The economic model?

 

[Whyayeman]

There are five in Congress who self described as Democratic Socialist

Is that the extent of the 'rise of socialism in America'?

You must be trembling in your boots!

 

[SimplyMe]

no. Here in the US Socialist and Liberal are part and parcel of the same party.

There are five in Congress who self described as Democratic Socialist

List of Democratic Socialists of America members who have held office in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes, with their definition of "Democratic Socialist" as roughly the same as is practiced in Denmark. Of course, you've clearly stated that Denmark is not socialist, so that means those five Congresspersons are also not socialists, just that they want something similar to what Denmark (and/or other Scandinavian countries) have.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Is that the extent of the 'rise of socialism in America'?

You must be trembling in your boots!

The text quoted in the OP doesn't even talk about America (nor does the title of the quoted article). The "America" part in the thread title is apparently just some Americans commenting about what they see as socialist trends in other countries. Meh.

 

[Whyayeman]

The text quoted in the OP doesn't even talk about America (nor does the title of the quoted article). The "America" part in the thread title is apparently just some Americans commenting about what they see as socialist trends in other countries. Meh.

It is the title of the thread. I took this to mean 'the rise of socialism in America'.

Meh, indeed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, with their definition of "Democratic Socialist" as roughly the same as is practiced in Denmark.

The DSA web page describes a pretty strong support for collective ownership.

Is that big in Denmark?

Of course, you've clearly stated that Denmark is not socialist, so that means those five Congresspersons are also not socialists, just that they want something similar to what Denmark (and/or other Scandinavian countries) have.

Well the Scandinavian countries aren't socialist.

The DSA pretty clearly are, but they've ignored any in depth explanation of political philosophy on their website.

 

[hislegacy]

Is that the extent of the 'rise of socialism in America'?

You must be trembling in your boots!

There goes the fear thing again. Does that help you feel better?

 

[hislegacy]

What is? The economic model?

the. Nothing more…

 

[Ana the Ist]

the. Nothing more…

Is this some sort of riddle?