The Resurrection

[HitchSlap]

Is that what he's really getting at?

If so, how do you know?

Did he PM you?

I have no idea what he was "getting at." I was simply asking you a question based on what you said. I assumed that applied to everything in the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea what he was "getting at." I was simply asking you a question based on what you said. I assumed that applied to everything in the bible.

I said the Bible says it, that settles it.

That saying is the cure to the ahem ... virus that is going around about events about the Resurrection not being recorded.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea what he was "getting at."

Nihilist Virus, HitchSlap has no idea what you're getting at; and frankly, neither do I.

Do you mind getting to the point with your line of questioning?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

And the reason no one bothered to go look was because why? Ever drive on the freway? People slow down to look at a fender bender. Yet these people didn't go look at Jesus' latest, greatest miracle? Not even one rubber necker? Can you please explain why?

There were many on-lookers and scoffers as Jesus died on the cross that is a certainty. The resurrection news seems to have spread, well, after Jesus rose from the dead and went in and out among His people...some 500 witnesses. God chooses the story/salvation plan. The salvation plan provided that salvation was first for the Jews and then the gentiles. God desires faith, not aptitude to come to Him.
The Holy Spirit had not been given until Jesus' ascension. The Holy Spirit is the One who works faith in our hearts.
Question for you on this subject:
Why this:
Matthew 27:62-66:
62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63 “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ 64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 “Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.

Why did the chief priests and Pharisees go to these extreme measures? Jesus did prove Himself genuine to these chief priests and Pharisees see the parable of the Tenets spoken by Jesus against them: Matthew 21.
also...
Parable of the Ten Minas
This parable speaks of the motives of these enemies of Christ...they are cognizant of the fact that Jesus will be King (they seem to believe He will become an earthly King/their rival)
Luke 19:27:
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

In summary then it says much that these leaders among Israel...the powers that be...actually do believe that Jesus is to be King and want Him dead. They saw His miracles which strengthened that claim...the Gospels make mention of their reactions. And, they are the ones who show themselves the biggest believers...they go to Pilate to seal the tomb! I believe this speaks miles.
It takes faith!

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

So we cannot study ants, because each one we look at is just one ant? Seriously, do you have any idea how many galaxies there are? Any idea how many stages of galactic evolution we are observing?

Or was your remark sarcastic? Have I fallen into a sarchasm?

It is hard to tell if you are a scarcastic.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

There were many on-lookers and scoffers as Jesus died on the cross that is a certainty. The resurrection news seems to have spread, well, after Jesus rose from the dead and went in and out among His people...some 500 witnesses. God chooses the story/salvation plan. The salvation plan provided that salvation was first for the Jews and then the gentiles. God desires faith, not aptitude to come to Him.
The Holy Spirit had not been given until Jesus' ascension. The Holy Spirit is the One who works faith in our hearts.
Question for you on this subject:
Why this:
Matthew 27:62-66:
62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63 “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ 64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 “Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.

Why did the chief priests and Pharisees go to these extreme measures? Jesus did prove Himself genuine to these chief priests and Pharisees see the parable of the Tenets spoken by Jesus against them: Matthew 21.
also...
Parable of the Ten Minas
This parable speaks of the motives of these enemies of Christ...they are cognizant of the fact that Jesus will be King (they seem to believe He will become an earthly King/their rival)
Luke 19:27:
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

In summary then it says much that these leaders among Israel...the powers that be...actually do believe that Jesus is to be King and want Him dead. They saw His miracles which strengthened that claim...the Gospels make mention of their reactions. And, they are the ones who show themselves the biggest believers...they go to Pilate to seal the tomb! I believe this speaks miles.
It takes faith!

I appreciate the effort but your contributions are irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Your line of questioning is why we believe the saying:

THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT

I don't need the microdetails.

The Bible is a big enough Book as It is.

If your assertion in all capital letters is true then what is the point of this forum? And why are you here? Or do you think you are putting forth a good argument?

I told you that since you believe in the Bible a priori, there's no point in your debate efforts. You replied by drawing attention to your "supporter" badge as if it means anything. In fact, it does not. Certainly you are entitled to post here, with or without that badge, but what the badge certainty does not do is magically make your words good arguments, or even arguments at all.

I said the Bible says it, that settles it.

That saying is the cure to the ahem ... virus that is going around about events about the Resurrection not being recorded.

Actually, this response is an utter failure. Even if the Bible is 100% true, you're still wrong because I'm asking why certain things are not recorded. So when you say, "THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT" in regards to something that the Bible is silent on... well... you couldn't possibly be more wrong if you tried.

Is that what he's really getting at?

If so, how do you know?

Did he PM you?

I actually have asked this:

Why should we be responsible for our transgressions against a set of laws written by a band of racist, sexist, genocidal, barbaric, slave-driving rapists?

I'd be happy to read your response to this and to HitchSlap's point.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

I appreciate the effort but your contributions are irrelevant to the topic.

I might like to take your comment into consideration, but it is not substantive enough...any criticism or guidance given might be more enlightening.

 

[AV1611VET]

If your assertion in all capital letters is true then what is the point of this forum?

The point of this forum is that we are to go out into the highways and hedges and "compel them to come."

Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

I'm sure that includes the Internet highway as well.

In addition, we have what is called: The Great Commission.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I might like to take your comment into consideration, but it is not substantive enough...any criticism or guidance given might be more enlightening.

I'm asking why there was no investigation of the empty tomb.

 

[popsthebuilder]

So no defense of point 3 then?

Last sentence.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm asking why there was no investigation of the empty tomb.

Your assumption is noted.

You want the empty tomb investigated?

Do it yourself and quit whining about it.

You can go over there and start here.

Let us know what you [don't] find.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I asked a second question. That's how conversations work.

ETA: In all honesty, it was a rhetorical question. I don't know who the author of Matthew is either, which leaves us with only copies of copies written by an anonymous author, making extraordinary claims about dead bodies coming back to life. So, what's easier, in your opinion, fabricating a resurrection story (for which we have many other examples of), or a dead body actually coming back to life three days later (for which we have no examples of).

It was a returning to life in a spiritual meaning.

Representative of our sacrifice of self(greed/want) and resurrection unto real life free from the bindings of the flesh(sin).

If any think that we will literally be risen from the grave, or live eternally, literally, then they are really vain.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Last sentence.

Under that umbrella excuse, can you even say there is a holy book that has gotten it wrong?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Your assumption is noted.

You want the empty tomb investigated?

Do it yourself and quit whining about it.

You can go over there and start here.

Let us know what you [don't] find.

A question is an assumption?

 

[AV1611VET]

A question is an assumption?

I assume so.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I assume so.

You completely ignored my post above. There are at least a dozen hanging questions which you have made no effort to address. I no longer take you seriously, and if you troll me again like what you have said here then we're done.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

There were many on-lookers and scoffers as Jesus died on the cross that is a certainty. The resurrection news seems to have spread, well, after Jesus rose from the dead and went in and out among His people...some 500 witnesses. God chooses the story/salvation plan. The salvation plan provided that salvation was first for the Jews and then the gentiles. God desires faith, not aptitude to come to Him.
The Holy Spirit had not been given until Jesus' ascension. The Holy Spirit is the One who works faith in our hearts.
Question for you on this subject:
Why this:
Matthew 27:62-66:
62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63 “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ 64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 “Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.
Why did the chief priests and Pharisees go to these extreme measures? Jesus did prove Himself genuine to these chief priests and Pharisees see the parable of the Tenets spoken by Jesus against them: Matthew 21.
also...
Parable of the Ten Minas
This parable speaks of the motives of these enemies of Christ...they are cognizant of the fact that Jesus will be King (they seem to believe He will become an earthly King/their rival)
Luke 19:27:
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
In summary then it says much that these leaders among Israel...the powers that be...actually do believe that Jesus is to be King and want Him dead. They saw His miracles which strengthened that claim...the Gospels make mention of their reactions. And, they are the ones who show themselves the biggest believers...they go to Pilate to seal the tomb! I believe this speaks miles.
It takes faith!

This is of course the post you said was not a proper response to your op. I'd like to summarize a bit to show that it indeed does...but first...
I believe someone has surely posted this:
Matthew 28:11-15:
11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

But as for my post (the one re-posted above)..
Your OP seems to imply that we too should be skeptical about the resurrection b/c the investigation of the empty tomb by authorities is not recorded in the Gospels (I believe the account above disagrees with that statement though).
Why I posted as I did in response to the OP is to underscore the fact that Scripture is a book of prophecy which requires a God-given faith to accept. His salvation plan does involve miracles, but does not rest on miracles. If it weren't a book of prophecy I suppose all sorts of facts and proofs should be offered so that all the accounts should fill the whole world as John says. But John does say the things He writes about, he knows of as an eyewitness and with certainty and Jesus adds we too may believe through the messages of the apostles. Just as salvation was given first to the Jew and then to the gentile as Jesus instructed, so also with the empty tomb..His way, His plan. Remember the old "Rippley's Believe it or Not" show?...well ALL mankind must decide to believe it or not, if they do come to faith they can know God led them to that faith.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

This is of course the post you said was not a proper response to your op. I'd like to summarize a bit to show that it indeed does...but first...
I believe someone has surely posted this:
Matthew 28:11-15:
11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

But as for my post (the one re-posted above)..
Your OP seems to imply that we too should be skeptical about the resurrection b/c the investigation of the empty tomb by authorities is not recorded in the Gospels (I believe the account above disagrees with that statement though).
Why I posted as I did in response to the OP is to underscore the fact that Scripture is a book of prophecy which requires a God-given faith to accept. His salvation plan does involve miracles, but does not rest on miracles. If it weren't a book of prophecy I suppose all sorts of facts and proofs should be offered so that all the accounts should fill the whole world as John says. But John does say the things He writes about, he knows of as an eyewitness and with certainty and Jesus adds we too may believe through the messages of the apostles. Just as salvation was given first to the Jew and then to the gentile as Jesus instructed, so also with the empty tomb..His way, His plan. Remember the old "Rippley's Believe it or Not" show?...well ALL mankind must decide to believe it or not, if they do come to faith they can know God led them to that faith.

1. I fail to see where you are responding to the OP
2. Please don't talk to me about prophecies when you failed to explain how Matthew's citation of Isaiah 7:14 is not deceptive

 

[AV1611VET]

Please don't talk to me about prophecies when you failed to explain how Matthew's citation of Isaiah 7:14 is not deceptive.

QV please:

John Goldingay suggests that the citation of Isaiah 7:14 in Matthew 1:23 is a "stock example" of sensus plenior.

Conservative Christians have used this term to mean the larger or whole teaching of scripture.

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