The Restitution Of All Things

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · Aug 13, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear David: The Lord Jesus Christ has NOT founded councils! The Rock upon which the Living Christ roots His Church is Himself!

Without Me You can do nothing

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Without the councils you can do nothing.

The Lord Jesus Christ Is The Head Of The Church and The Head Of The Councils.

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Oldmantook · Aug 13, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
The Canons and Decrees of The Ecumenical Councils are Infallible.

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Yeah right; men are infallible. I totally reject that as only God IS INFALLIBLE.

Oldmantook · Aug 13, 2019

David Cabrera said:
You could say the same about Arianism and Monothelism.

And mentioning that the Councils were mainly about politics, show that you know nothing about them.

Quite the contrary but feel free to believe as you wish!

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · Aug 13, 2019

Oldmantook said:
Yeah right; men are infallible. I totally reject that as only God IS INFALLIBLE.

The Lord Jesus Christ Is The Head Of The Church and The Head Of The Councils.

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Oldmantook · Aug 13, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
The Lord Jesus Christ Is The Head Of The Church and The Head Of The Councils.

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Yours is a fallacy of logic. Jesus is the head of every man but every man is fallible - including men on the Councils.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · Aug 13, 2019

Oldmantook said:
Yours is a fallacy of logic. Jesus is the head of every man but every man is fallible - including men on the Councils.

• Jesus left A Church On Earth.

• He said that the gates of Hell would Not prevail against it.

• His Church had Councils.

• Universalism was Defeated and Condemned at These Councils / Thread

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Not David · Aug 13, 2019

Oldmantook said:
Yeah right; men are infallible. I totally reject that as only God IS INFALLIBLE.

So you don't believe the Bible is infallible?

Oldmantook · Aug 13, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
• Jesus left A Church On Earth.

• He said that the gates of Hell would Not prevail against it.

• His Church had Councils.

• Universalism was Defeated and Condemned at These Councils / Thread

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He left a church composed of fallible humans.
Gates of Hell do not prevail against it despite fallible humans and only because of an infallible God.
Church had fallible Councils.
Universalism was "defeated" by fallible humans.

Like I said. Illogical arguments that you have proposed.

Oldmantook · Aug 13, 2019

David Cabrera said:
So you don't believe the Bible is infallible?

Of course the Bible is infallible. It is man's interpretation of Scripture that is subject to question. Big difference.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · Aug 13, 2019

Oldmantook said:
He left a church composed of fallible humans.

Gates of Hell do not prevail against it despite fallible humans and only because of an infallible God.

Church had fallible Councils.

Universalism was "defeated" by fallible humans.

Like I said. Illogical arguments that you have proposed.

The Lord Jesus Christ Defeated Universalism and worked through His Church and Bishops At The Councils to defeat it.

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Saint Steven · Aug 13, 2019

ilovejcsog said:
If they rejected God why should they have that glory?

What does God expect us to do when we are rejected? Forgive or retaliate?
Should we expect any less from him?

hedrick · Aug 13, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
Thank God The Church already Condemned and Defeated Universalism in 553 A.D. Once And For All at The Fifth Ecumenical Council :
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I'm finding it hard to verify that this was actually an act of the council. Indeed the Catholic Encyclopedia seems to indicate substantial doubt. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Origen and Origenism

Furthermore, not all of us accept that council as authoritative. I personally consider it a failed attempt at a political compromise.

Saint Steven · Aug 13, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
The Lord Jesus Christ Defeated Universalism and worked through His Church and Bishops At The Councils to defeat it.

That is a monstrous assumption. (both in size and intent)
Claiming that Christ defeated Universalism?

hedrick · Aug 13, 2019

I should note that I'm not convinced of universalism. However I object to the unwarranted condemnations of it and of people who believe it. I'm not convinced because it appears to me that Jesus didn't teach it, although I think it's likely that Paul did.

Maria Billingsley · Aug 13, 2019

FineLinen said:
1. What it is.

2. What do the Scriptures say?

3. Individuals who believe & why.

4. The history of apocatastasis.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth restored the relationship between man and the Father. He did the work of restitution by His sacrifice and then restoring His Holy Spirit back into the life of the believer once rejected by Adam and Eve through sin.
Blessings.

FineLinen · Aug 13, 2019

hedrick said:
I should note that I'm not convinced of universalism. However I object to the unwarranted condemnations of it and of people who believe it. I'm not convinced because it appears to me that Jesus didn't teach it, although I think it's likely that Paul did.

Dear Hedrick: the Lord Jesus Christ declares He would draw ALL unto Himself. Will He? I am inclined to believe His purpose shall be fulfilled completely. He refused to allow miracle remnants of fish and bread to be lost/wasted. Will He allow the mass for whom He is the Mercy Seat to be lost and wasted?

St. Paul expresses the following>>>

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."

The highest glories of the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, are revealed to us in Paul’s epistle to the Colossians.

In the beginning He was “…the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist” (Col. 1:15-17).

Can the UNIVERSALITY of Christ’s creation be more forcibly expressed? In every case the word ALL is used WITHOUT ANY LIMITATION whatever. The heavens and the earth with all that is in them, visible and invisible, include ALL creation.

https://kingdom-resources.com/2017/03/02/the-savior-of-the-world-reconciliation-in-the-heavens-chapter-15/ 3

FineLinen · Aug 13, 2019

The first-born and first-fruits are the “few” and “little flock;” but these, though first delivered from the curse, have a relation to the whole creation, which shall be saved in the appointed times by the first-born seed, that is by Christ and His body, through those appointed baptisms, whether of fire or water, which are required to bring about “the restitution of all things.” St. Paul expressly declares this when he says, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, … that in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are in the earth, even in Him.”

Oldmantook · Aug 13, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
The Lord Jesus Christ Defeated Universalism and worked through His Church and Bishops At The Councils to defeat it.

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Your prerogative to continue in believing in the fallible minds of men who composed the councils. Neither did you respond to the fact why Apocatstasis was not condemned during Origen's lifetime. For these obvious reasons, I reject your claim.

FineLinen · Aug 13, 2019

“Am I then to believe that the same God Who expends millions of years in slowly fitting this earth for man’s habitation, will only allow to man himself a few fleeting years, or months, or hours, as it may be, as his sole preparation time for eternity?

To settle questions so unspeakably great in their issue -questions stretching away to a horizon so far distant that no power of thought can follow them-in such hot haste, does seem quite at variance with our heavenly Father’s ways.

Is God’s action outside man so slow, and within man so hurried? Is the husk of far more value than the seed? Are millions of years allotted to fashioning man’s earthly home, while for man’s spiritual training for eternity, but a few brief years are given, and these so largely broken up by sleep, by work, by disease, by ignorance?

What should we say -to take a homely illustration -of an arrangement allotting 10,000 years to fashioning a man’s coat, or building his house, while assigning to his whole education but a few hours?” -Thomas Allin (Christ Triumphant)

Not David · Aug 13, 2019

Oldmantook said:
Your prerogative to continue in believing in the fallible minds of men who composed the councils. Neither did you respond to the fact why Apocatstasis was not condemned during Origen's lifetime. For these obvious reasons, I reject your claim.

Yet you believe in the Bible which was written by the Church you deny.

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