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Smoke and mirrors. None of this repetitious copy/paste wall of text specifically addresses anything in my post.Then, by the same reasoning, the "parallel" in Rom.5:19 proves Scriptural universalism to be true:
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.
1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.
Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Wrong! Repeating the same out-of-context proof texts over and over and over does not make them say what you erroneously claim.Clem said:And your translation of Mt.25:46 contradicts this translation of Lamentations 3:
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.
Clem said:While these translations (& others) of Mt.25:46 are in harmony with all the verses above i have posted:
You can quote a 1000 biased UR versions but none of that "proves" they are right and widely accepted versions such as NET, NIV etc. are wrong. What is needed is a credible scholastic study which shows beyond any doubt that "aion" does not/cannot mean "eternity" and "aionion" does not/ cannot mean "eternal." You do not have that kind of evidence and never will.Clem said:The New Testament: A Translation, by Eastern Orthodox scholar David Bentley Hart, 2017, Yale Press):
"And these shall go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age."
Youngs Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, 1898:
"And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during."
Emphatic Diaglott, 1942 edition
"And these shall go forth to the aionian 1 cutting-off; but the RIGHTEOUS to aionian Life."
Concordant Literal New Testament, 1983
And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
Rotherham Emphasized Bible, 1959
"And these shall go away into age-abiding correction, But the righteous into age-abiding life."
Smoke and mirrors. None of this repetitious copy/paste wall of text specifically addresses anything in my post.
duh You are in left field along with the goats:Then, by the same reasoning, the "parallel" in Rom.5:19 proves Scriptural universalism to be true:
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Emphatic Diaglott, 1942 edition
"And these shall go forth to the aionian 1 cutting-off; but the RIGHTEOUS to aionian Life."
d; You are in left field along with the goats:
Obviously to destroy does not require casting off forever. What is the problem in understanding the easy harmonization of 3:31-33 with 3:62-66? From "under the heavens" is a way of saying - from the earth or from this life. It says nothing about postmortem consequences or final destiny.
The heavens in "under the heavens" will pass away & there will be a new universe. The destroyed bodies will live again when they are un-destroyed in resurrection. Their souls continue to exist & live when their bodies are destroyed. Nothing is said in Lam.3:62-66 of what will become of them in the new heavens & new earth. Though 3:31-33 says:
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…
You need to get your facts straight:You should remember that next time you use the word, which has been often. Again, you state the obvious.
The LXX omits "are men", as do two of your most trusted versions, the NIV & NET, etc. Perhaps you should listen to them instead of the silly racist opinions of those whom Scripture says their minds are blinded (2 Cor.4:4; 1 Cor.2:12-16). Is God a racist? Are His inspired Scriptures?
Such does not necessarily mean "he shall never look upon them again". So there is no contradiction between Lam.4:16 and 3:31-33:
The highly acclaimed Liddell-Scott Greek lexicon states:
"in LXX and NT, continue or repeat an action":
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, προστίθημι
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.
"Lit:"place/set-toward", hence add/proceed-onward":
Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - προστίθημι - to add (v.)
Obviously to destroy does not require casting off forever. What is the problem in understanding the easy harmonization of 3:31-33 with 3:62-66? From "under the heavens" is a way of saying - from the earth or from this life. It says nothing about postmortem consequences or final destiny.
The destroyed bodies will live again when they are un-destroyed in resurrection. Their souls continue to exist & live when their bodies are destroyed. Nothing is said in Lam.3:62-66 of what will become of them in the new heavens & new earth. Though 3:31-33 says:
Mic 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
Hey, get it straight. This is addressed to the remnant of his heritageMicah 7:18b You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. (NIV)
Does that sound like a God who is just itching to nuke people out of existence forever? Or a God who can't wait to bring out his whip & torture them for eternity?
Sorry but God must first choose you before you can accept His invitation!Wes posted
Regarding free will, this is no issue to God. The only beings in creation concerned with human free will are humans. God does what He does regardless of our “free will.” He obviously ignores our will in judgment. God turns an unbeliever into a believer simply by overwhelming him with grace, as He did with unwilling Saul on the road to Damascus. And He can do this whenever it suits His will. Grace is not always poured out by God in the same measure. When He pours out overwhelming grace, who can resist? No one. Could we say then that God forces someone to be a believer against their will. Sure. And who would complain about this. No one because God has changed their heart to love Him.
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