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Yes and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass if you wish to stand before the Lord."Who will have all mankind to be saved"=
To will.
To have in mind.
To intend.
To be resolved.
To be determined
To purpose.
To desire, to wish.
To love
To like to do a thing, be fond of doing
To take delight in, have pleasure in doing.
thélō=
Strengthened form of haireō
To determine
Yes, my friends, make zero mistake: our Father desires and wishes to be in union with you and I. And that is precisely the goal to which He moves in His determined purpose, intention & resolve!
Whose will prevails?
1 Timothy 2:4 - who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
this kind of topic challenges us all in terms of how we judge God.
How we judge God, that's how we will be judged.
so as a general rule, I'd really like to think God's mercy and redemption is all powerful like that. If God ends up redeeming everyone like certain passages say, I will not be shocked.
If it is a heresy, it is indeed the most beautiful of heresies.
Yes it is heresy so pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass if you wish to stand before the Lord.this kind of topic challenges us all in terms of how we judge God. How we judge God, that's how we will be judged. so as a general rule, I'd really like to think God's mercy and redemption is all powerful like that. If God ends up redeeming everyone like certain passages say, I will not be shocked.
If it is a heresy, it is indeed the most beautiful of heresies.
H3467 יָשַׁע yâsha‛ preserve, rescue, be safe
H8668 teshû‛âh תְּשֻׁעָה תְּשׁוּעָה From H7768 in the sense of H3467; rescue
G4991 σωτηρία sōtēria
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety
Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
Num 14:37 Even those men that did bring up the evil report upon the land, died by the plague before Jehovah
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this kind of topic challenges us all in terms of how we judge God. How we judge God, that's how we will be judged. so as a general rule, I'd really like to think God's mercy and redemption is all powerful like that. If God ends up redeeming everyone like certain passages say, I will not be shocked.
If it is a heresy, it is indeed the most beautiful of heresies.
Good verse...................Yes it is heresy so pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass if you wish to stand before the Lord.
Luke 21:34 (36) Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
Dear Little Lamb: where is that exotic flying contraption you normally appear in? It is always a delight seeing you again in the contraption or not.. I do trust out glorious Lord is continuing to enhance you and yours.Good verse...................
The word "TRIBULATION" does not occur in Luke's Gospel.
Escape and Distress and Wrath
4422 malat a primitive root; (by implication)
to escape (as if by slipperiness); causatively, to release or rescue; specifically, to bring forth young, emit sparks:--deliver (self), escape, lay, leap out, let alone, let go, preserve, save, X speedily, X surely.
Daniel 12:1
"And in that time/season Michael shall stand-up, the great chief prince, the one standing over sons of thy people. And a time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation until that time.
And in that time, thy people shall escape<04422>, every of the one being found written in scroll. [Luke 21:23-36]
318. anagke
constraint (literally or figuratively); by implication, distress:--distress, must needs, (of) necessity(-sary), needeth, needful.
1628. ekpheugo from 1537 and 5343;
to flee out:--escape, flee.
Luke 21:23
“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching in every season, beseeching that ye should be being strong<2729> to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about to be becoming,
and to stand before the Son of the Man.
1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them,
as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape<1628>.
https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
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"Who will have all mankind to be saved"=
To will.
To have in mind.
To intend.
To be resolved.
To be determined
To purpose.
To desire, to wish.
To love
To like to do a thing, be fond of doing
To take delight in, have pleasure in doing.
thélō=
Strengthened form of haireō
To determine
Yes, my friends, make zero mistake: our Father desires and wishes to be in union with you and I. And that is precisely the goal to which He moves in His determined purpose, intention & resolve!
Whose will prevails?
1 Timothy 2:4 - who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Except that all will be rescued from destruction that repent.How is thélō used
1.In applying to God.
2.Indicating whether or not whatever is related to the verb thélō is accomplished.
As can be seen, no matter what the word is that conveys His wants, be it wants, desires, wills, delights in, pleases, or wishes, He accomplishes.
Thus, when applied to God, thélō indeed means “To be resolved or determined, to purpose: absolutely.”
2 Chronicles 9:8 “Blessed be the LORD your God who delighted in you, setting you on His throne as king for the LORD your God; because your God loved Israel establishing them forever, therefore He made you king over them, to do justice and righteousness.”
Job 23:13 “But He is unique and who can turn Him? And what His soul desires, that He does.”
Psalm 18:19 “He brought me forth also into a broad place; He rescued me, because He delighted in me.”
Psalm 115:3 “But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases.”
Psalm 135:6 “Whatever the Lord pleases, He does, in heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps.”
Proverbs 21:1 “The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes.”
Isaiah 55:11 “So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.”
Matthew 26:39 “And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, ‘My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.’”
Mark 14:36 “And He was saying, ‘Abba! Father! All things are possible for You; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will.’”
John 5:21 ”For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.”
Acts 18:21 “but taking leave of them and saying, ‘I will return to you again if God wills,’ he set sail from Ephesus.”
Romans 9:18 “So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.”
Romans 9:22 “What if God, willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath prepared for destruction?"
1 Corinthians 4:19 “But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant but their power.”
1 Corinthians 12:18 “But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.”
1 Corinthians 15:38 “But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.”
Colossians 1:27 “to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
Thus, it is Biblically supported to make the following argument.
Premise 1: God desires that all be saved.
Premise 2: God accomplishes all He desires.
Conclusion: All will be saved.
Now this is interesting. I am just awed at how much Luke's Gospels harmonize with the 70ad book of Revelation.Except that all will be rescued from destruction that repent.
G4990 σωτήρ Savior, rescuer
Act 4:12 Neither is there rescue in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be rescued.
G4991 σωτηρία (sōtēría) + Etymology: - Definition: rescue or safety, deliverance rescue, salvatίon, saving; Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety
G4982 σώζω (sṓzō) - Etymology from a primary σῶς (sōs) (contraction for obsolete σάος (sáos), "safe"); - Definition G4982 σώζω σωσαι σώσει θεραπεύω, αλοίφω, περισώζω salved; save from ruin, destruction, or harm, deliver from, rescue, salve, save compare [G2323] εθεραπεύσεν θεραπεύω salvage, archaic term for salvage; save from destruction οr rescue compare [G1658] έλεύθεροι έλεύθερωνω unchain, unloose, deliver, free, set free, release,
HalleluYah! Yes, but you forgot that is not 70 AD it is Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;Now this is interesting. I am just awed at how much Luke's Gospels harmonize with the 70ad book of Revelation.
G4991 used in only 5 verses of the Gospels, 4 of those in Luke and all directed to the 1st Jews.
Luke 1:
69 And did raise an horn of salvation to us, In the house of David His servant,
71 Salvation from our enemies, And out of the hand of all hating us,
77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people In remission of their sins,
Luke 19:
9 And Jesus said unto him — ‘To-day salvation did come to this house, inasmuch as he also is a son of Abraham; 10 for the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.’
Jhn 4:22
“You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
What salvation is Paul referring to in this passage of Roman?[this was pre 70ad]
Romans 13:
11 And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused,
for now nearer<1452> of us the Salvation<4991> than when we believed.
And 3 verses in Revelation
Revelation 7:10
and they are crying to a loud voice, saying, “the Salvation to God of us to the One sitting upon the throne and of the Lambkin
Revelation 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven "now became the Salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him,
that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the accusing them in sight of the God of us day and night. [John 5:45]
The saved Elect in Christ shouting in joy up the destruction of 70ad Jerusalem. Oh the wonder of His Word! Amen! Halleluyah!
The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19
Revelation 19:
1 After these I hear as a great sound of a vast throng in the heaven, saying,
‘HalleluYah!
the salvation and the glory and the honor, and the power of our God;
2 That true and righteous His judgings,
that He judges the great harlot who corrupts the earth in Her whoredom,
and avenges<1556> the blood of His bond-servants out of Her hand.
3 And a second time they have declared<4483> ‘HalleluYah!
and Her smoke is ascending into the ages of the ages!"
4 And fall the twenty four Elders and the four living-ones,
and they worship to the GOD the One sitting upon the Throne, saying, ‘Amen! HalleluYah!"
5 And a voice came out from the Throne saying:
"Be ye praising to the GOD of us, all ye bond-servants of Him, and those fearing Him,
the small and the great".
6 And I hear as sound of a throng, much, and as a sound of waters, many, and as sound of thunders, strong saying:
"HalleluYah! that reigns Lord the God *of-us, the Almighty.
I view 70ad Jerusalem and the Olivet Discourse in Revelation. That is for another discussion tho.HalleluYah! Yes, but you forgot that is not 70 AD it is Revelation 19:17 .
HalleluYah! you forgot that is not 70 AD it is Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;I view 70ad Jerusalem and the Olivet Discourse in Revelation. That is for another discussion tho.
I have the Olivet Discourse harmonized here if you would like to browse it and perhaps help proof read it. Thanks.
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Hello FL....Yes indeed!The Divine Fire
Refining & Consuming
I. The operation of the Divine fire depends on what it operates on.
This is one of the most marked peculiarities of common fire. It scatters water; it melts wax; it destroys wood; it hardens clay; it purifies metal. It makes silver valuable; it makes dross worthless. And so with the Divine fire. The apostle dwells on its testing power (1 Corinthians 3:13); but here its actual moral effect on differing characters is indicated. Take classes of character in Malachi's time, and show the different effects which Divine dealings had upon them. Take types of character now, and show how Divine dealings soften or harden.
II. The Divine fire is destructive of the forms of things, not things.
Science now explains that common fire destroys nothing; it only Changes the forms and relations of things. When the state of the wicked is irremediable by any existing moral forces, then their form and relation must be changed. As in the time of the Flood, humanity had to be put in new conditions. God's fire destructions always begin a new regime. - R.T.
The Divine Fire
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