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[Hentenza]

Living in His grace is liberty from the guilt and penalty... still must live in His kingdom.. according to His Laws.. that part has not changed.. at least not the TEN which He is working on implanting in the heart.

We are going to continue to disagree Vis. The ten were given to Israel while the 2 were given to the Christian. All ten are covered by the two the same that all 613 commandments of the law are summarized in the 2.

And, btw, none can't even keep the 2 perfectly.

 

[RND]

God makes believers. Christians make disciples.

Gee, and here I thought God did it all!

God softens their hearts to the gospel, Christians preach the gospel. Having the law means only that one is under the law and when one is under the law then one is not under grace. I will preach the gospel of Christ not the gospel of bondage.

So then you preach that one is free to commit murder or adultery, steal, lie, covet, etc.? Gee that must be a very popular message.

 

[Hentenza]

It's always been about grace. Adam and Eve experienced it, Noah, et al.

There is no grace in the law. Never was.

 

[RND]

Hentenza what is the "law of liberty" mean to you? Are we free to do what we want when we want?

 

[Hentenza]

Gee, and here I thought God did it all!

He did. Christians make disciples by the grace of God and through God.

So then you preach that one is free to commit murder or adultery, steal, lie, covet, etc.? Gee that must be a very popular message.

lol Here come the strawmans.

 

[Lion King]

Sure. And who did God swear by?

Are we discussing the same thing here?

You said God made the covenant with Himself, but His word says otherwise. Scripture throughout says the LORD made a covenant with Abram, who became known as Abraham.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hentenza what is the "law of liberty" mean to you? Are we free to do what we want when we want?

God makes believers. Christians make disciples. God softens their hearts to the gospel, Christians preach the gospel. Having the law means only that one is under the law and when one is under the law then one is not under grace. I will preach the gospel of Christ not the gospel of bondage.

Reve 14 and 18 would seem to kind deflate the SDAs view of Rome and the papacy being the WoB in Revelation, don't ya think?

Galatian 4:25 For the Hagar, Mount Sinai is in the Arabia, is together-elemental/su-stoicei <4960> (5719) yet to the now Jurusalem in slavery with the offsprings of Her.

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

Revelation 18:8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and mourning and famine, and in fire She shall be being burned,
that strong Lord the God the one judging Her.

 

[RND]

There is no grace in the law. Never was.

Sure they was. That was the point of it! The innocent lamb died, not the sinner. See, this is what I'm referring to. One can't point to the sanctuary and tell of its wonderful grace and mercy in the rituals without understanding.

 

[Hentenza]

Hentenza what is the "law of liberty" mean to you? Are we free to do what we want when we want?

We are free to love God with all of our hearts, minds, and bodies. We are free to love our neighbor. We are free to eat all of God's creation which He called good. We are free to worship God any day of the week. We are free of the law.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Not found in the TEN

Neither is the carnal man subject to the law of God visionary, the carnal mind is an emnity (great hatred) of God, why do you think he was crucified in Galgotha? By interpretation its the "place of the SKULL" and is why we need the mind of Christ because to be carnally minded is death as well.

All the law says the apostles is fulfilled in one word, even this, thou shall love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[RND]

He did. Christians make disciples by the grace of God and through God.

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

lol Here come the strawmans.

Your favorite term. Your pet "fallback".

Retreat!!!!!

 

[visionary]

We are going to continue to disagree Vis. The ten were given to Israel while the 2 were given to the Christian. All ten are covered by the two the same that all 613 commandments of the law are summarized in the 2.

And, btw, none can't even keep the 2 perfectly.

yeshua said "His burden is light" ever wonder why?? It is because He carries it, we are to just follow Him and obey, even if we fall like little babies learning to walk, we still get up with His help, lots of hand holding, and continue to walk with His help. He did say "go and sin no more" because He believed it is possible. With God all things are possible. I do not think that it is not possible. I have faith in God and when He said it can be done through Him, as He strengthens His own. I believe He can accomplish to do all that He set out to do in us. And that includes being just like Him, living out His life, just like He did.

 

[RND]

Neither is the carnal man subject to the law of God visionary, the carnal mind is an emnity (great hatred) of God, why do you think he was crucified in Galgotha? By interpretation its the "place of the SKULL" and is why we need the mind of Christ because to be carnally minded is death as well.

All the law says the apostles is fulfilled in one word, even this, thou shall love your neighbor as yourself.

The carnal mind can't obey the law.

 

[Hentenza]

Sure they was. That was the point of it! The innocent lamb died, not the sinner. See, this is what I'm referring to. One can't point to the sanctuary and tell of its wonderful grace and mercy in the rituals without understanding.

The grace comes after the law not under the law. All that have been saved since the beginning of mankind have been saved by the grace of God through faith. At no time has anyone been saved by the works of the law. Rituals do not impart grace. Heck, not even the blood of goats and bulls atone for sin.

 

[RND]

We are free to love God with all of our hearts, minds, and bodies.

So we can eat or drink anything we want?

We are free to love our neighbor.

How do we do that?

We are free to eat all of God's creation which He called good.

Um, not according to 1 Tim 4:5 we're not.

We are free to worship God any day of the week.

You bet.

We are free of the law.

So we can commit adultery and steal?

 

[Hentenza]

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

You are welcomed.

Your favorite term. Your pet "fallback".

Retreat!!!!!

The same strawmans will elicit the same response every time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The carnal mind can't obey the law.

Whose mind is carnal here?

 

[Fireinfolding]

The carnal mind can't obey the law.

I meant to say carnal "mind" not carnal "man", not that it makes much of a difference I suppose, but thank you for that

 

[RND]

The grace comes after the law not under the law.

David had grace and he was "under the law."

All that have been saved since the beginning of mankind have been saved by the grace of God through faith. At no time has anyone been saved by the works of the law. Rituals do not impart grace. Heck, not even the blood of goats and bulls atone for sin.

That's right. So since we're saved by grace we are free to do want we want when we want?

 

[RND]

You are welcomed.




The same strawmans will elicit the same response every time.

You say strawman. I say argument you can't defend.