The refuge

[Tenebrae]

stupidty beyond measure

 

[Time2BCounted]

Rather than derail the other thread, I wanted to post this here



I'm not going to argue on this one. (however mods if this is not the right place, do what you need to do)


I will say this though, God is very much working in the lives of members of the refuge. At times the steps are small, at times they are bigger steps. It leaves me speechless that God is not just a big impersonal being who sits up there and that He is actively working in the lives of these people and He really did come to heal the broken hearted, set free the captives and all that

If you all could please pray that this will continue and that people will continue along the new path they have started. As for oversight and accountability, Constance signs in most days


I can not stress how important it is for people to give this a chance. God is very much working in this place. You dont have to like me or trust me in this, however if you are not able to trust people like constance, and the chaplain team to do their job, then we are in trouble


Mods who are seeking the reports, are seeking one off posts out of context, and what you are not seeing is when people are being pulled up and told that things need to change or the refuge could be history.

God is very much working in this. You are not required to trust the members of the refuge. However if you can not trust the chaplains and staff to do their job, then quite frankly we are stuffed

Freitag
I hope you know my hope is sincere. I know that some bondages can indeed be hard. I do pray for you sincerely.
On the other hand let me explain how i feel about something and what actually concerns me. I have a few concerns.

First, i dont mean to demean any indivudual whether staff or members by this, its only my opinion based on things ive observed and personally experienced.

When this forum was being debated, i felt in the middle. On one hand YES i want everyone helped who can be helped, but on the other hand i fell we were misled in a few areas. I dont accuse anyone of anything intentional, but i feel this way nonetheless and wisdom dictates we keep the door open for all possibilities if they exist, and in my mind they do.

For one thing just to be up front, i feel emotional blackmail was involved in opening the forum. Some may disagree and think me harsh, but i can point to hunger strikes and demands and think this is reasonable cause to feel this. In short i think 'love' was being used against us and many succumed. Yes we are to love, theres no one there i dont have love for and hope for. But love doesnt mean lack of wisdom and turning a blind eye and not observing tactics and arguements.

For another thing, i cant say i have much confidance in liberal christianity. From what i see all the oversight is completely liberal, and this concerns me.

Also this brings up the point that what all this says to me is that no conservatives are wanted. I have to ask why? Conservative doesnt equal lack of love, though it can be a cautious voice. The scripture teaches us that the wise man is surrounded by many councellors. I dont understand the mindset that would EXCLUDE people who are concerned and want it to work IF its legit. My mind automaticly asks if its because there are things going on that i for instance, would find very objectionable.

I know God delivers

Ive been delivered from the occult, being brought up by a satanist. I wont go further here in this area. I will say ive been delivered of many things and it was because i asked and sought.

Another area i feel VERY misled in is the fact this was supposed to be... everyone was TOLD it would be a place for those who DESIRE deliverance and recovery. This was a word given and as many things in the last months it was also a word broken imho.

In short i see the very real possibility that some were and possibly are playing games, the facts prove that not everyone was straight up and leverage was used imo.

All these things give me pause and i find it very objectionable.

This being said, i have not a thing personal against anyone in there and i desire good things for everyone there, but i have serious doubts and i am not alone. I would say MOST here do.

I will continue to keep you in my prayers, but these are things i desire to look into as do many others

Why would anyone object for instance, to me coming in from time to time or observing? I would really like to know why the forum would exclude me

 

[Letalis]

Hi Freitag,

I think the Refuge can accomplish a lot. I trust a lot of the staff that participate there. Fr. Rick immediately comes to mind as someone I think can really help.

I think there are concerns that should be addressed, though. The issue of vulgarities and Satanic images/posts comes to mind. I think this needs to be addressed ASAP. Otherwise, the forum risks being shut down and unable to accomplish what it has set out to.

Blessings,
Letalis

ETA: Just remembered Fr. Rick is former staff.

 

[Tenebrae]

Hi Freitag,

I think the Refuge can accomplish a lot. I trust a lot of the staff that participate there. Fr. Rick immediately comes to mind as someone I think can really help.

I think there are concerns that should be addressed, though. The issue of vulgarities and Satanic images/posts comes to mind. I think this needs to be addressed ASAP. Otherwise, the forum risks being shut down and unable to accomplish what it has set out to.

Blessings,
Letalis

ETA: Just remembered Fr. Rick is former staff.

Whens the last time you lurked, and what do you define as vulgarities. I am thinking of two words that are seen as a swearword by many Americans, however at this corner of the world they are very much not swearwords. If there are actual horrible words than that, could you drop me a PM, seriously all reasonable concerns will be taken note of and actioned.

I don't have to like it, however I do understand that there are things we need to be doing to addressing the concerns of others. As for the graphic images, could you please drop me a PM about those. It was addressed, a few days ago, however if some were missed, then we need to deal with it

 

[Tenebrae]

stupidity beyond measure

 

[icedtea]

Time does have legitmate concerns. One did say they were allowed to post there under a loophole.
And if no real life help will be sought (obviously this doesn't mean Freitag) then theres not going to be healing.
The emotional blackmail is a legit concern also as one member told me they will definitely *do something drastic* if the forum is closed.

 

[CelticRose]

I can vouch for Vespasia though I don't know anything about the forum under discussion.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Time does have legitmate concerns. One did say they were allowed to post there under a loophole.
And if no real life help will be sought (obviously this doesn't mean Freitag) then theres not going to be healing.
The emotional blackmail is a legit concern also as one member told me they will definitely *do something drastic* if the forum is closed.

Hi HD
Do you recall what the loophole was, or was it ever mentioned specificly?

 

[icedtea]

Yes, it was posted publicly, but a bit hard to explain.

 

[Tenebrae]

Time does have legitmate concerns. One did say they were allowed to post there under a loophole.
And if no real life help will be sought (obviously this doesn't mean Freitag) then theres not going to be healing.
The emotional blackmail is a legit concern also as one member told me they will definitely *do something drastic* if the forum is closed.

who ever said, anyones concerns werent valid

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Closing at the request of the OP.