The Reason Why Job Suffered?

[miknik5]

The sin unto death sir would be to say that satan had the power in the situation not God.

ie:unbelief

The sin unto death is blasphemy blaming attributing to GOD what should not be attributed to GOD

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Di not concern yourself with me Cassia

Concern yourself with yourself. I know what I know and I understand what I know

It is very easy to have faith when all things are going well
Another things when all things appear to be out of control

It is then that we have to walk by mature and steadfast faith directed in and on HIM not fully understanding and seeing where our feet are taking us
But trusting that He who began the good work in us will bring it to completion provided we remain in HIM and do not go out from the "city of" REFUGE which GOD has provided in HIS SON

Ok we've heard what you believe

 

[miknik5]

What are your though

Ok we've heard what you believe

and it's what Job prophecied
Job didn't know that the hedge was removed

We know there will be a day when he who holds all things back is taken out of the way

And it will be in that day that those who clung to HIM, who truly knew their GOD will be made manifest from those who simply did lip service to HIS NAME

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

an interesting link on why you can't barter with God
http://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/theologically-driven/why-you-can-t-barter-with-god.html

Why does it matter whether or not we can barter with God? Because if we can’t barter with Him, that means we have to accept His terms. We can’t entice Him with our offers. We can only accept His offers. He is not impressed by our promises of service or obedience and will not respond to them. But He, of His own will, determined to offer us a relationship with Him as a gift on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ. We must submit ourselves fully to Him, offering our lives to Jesus as Lord. And He promises to give us eternal life—a relationship with Him.

God is the one who establishes what He will do and what we will do, and we either accept or reject those terms. But we can’t try to change the terms to something we prefer—you can’t barter with God.​

All of Job's friends were barterers. His wife was a fatalist. Still not the point of the story but merely backdrops to what is going on all around us.

The abiding is what matters and that is a process of sanctification now.

 

[miknik5]

an interesting link on why you can't barter with God
http://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/theologically-driven/why-you-can-t-barter-with-god.html

Why does it matter whether or not we can barter with God? Because if we can’t barter with Him, that means we have to accept His terms. We can’t entice Him with our offers. We can only accept His offers. He is not impressed by our promises of service or obedience and will not respond to them. But He, of His own will, determined to offer us a relationship with Him as a gift on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ. We must submit ourselves fully to Him, offering our lives to Jesus as Lord. And He promises to give us eternal life—a relationship with Him.

God is the one who establishes what He will do and what we will do, and we either accept or reject those terms. But we can’t try to change the terms to something we prefer—you can’t barter with God.​

All of Job's friends were barterers. His wife was a fatalist. Still not the point of the story but merely backdrops to what is going on all around us.

The abiding is what matters and that is a process of sanctification now.

Job did not barter with GOD
Who are you attributing this to?

Who barters with GOD?
If anything those who abide in Christ who will face trials and tribulations are more supposed to come to the understanding that HE is sovereign and in control in all seasons

Who is it that you are identifying here as barterers but those who do not know GOD. Period

Who said anything about bartering with GOD? Who even suggested this?

 

[miknik5]

Cassia,
What do you mean by "abiding/remaining" in Christ?

I will rephrase the question
What does "abiding/remaining" in Christ look like.

 

[miknik5]

an interesting link on why you can't barter with God
http://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/theologically-driven/why-you-can-t-barter-with-god.html

Why does it matter whether or not we can barter with God? Because if we can’t barter with Him, that means we have to accept His terms. We can’t entice Him with our offers. We can only accept His offers. He is not impressed by our promises of service or obedience and will not respond to them. But He, of His own will, determined to offer us a relationship with Him as a gift on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ. We must submit ourselves fully to Him, offering our lives to Jesus as Lord. And He promises to give us eternal life—a relationship with Him.

God is the one who establishes what He will do and what we will do, and we either accept or reject those terms. But we can’t try to change the terms to something we prefer—you can’t barter with God.​

All of Job's friends were barterers. His wife was a fatalist. Still not the point of the story but merely backdrops to what is going on all around us.

The abiding is what matters and that is a process of sanctification now.

GOD was not the orchestrator of Job's suffering

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

All of Job's friends were barterers. .

Job did not barter with GOD
Who are you attributing this to?

Who barters with GOD?
If anything those who abide in Christ who will face trials and tribulations are more supposed to come to the understanding that HE is sovereign and in control in all seasons

Who is it that you are identifying here as barterers but those who do not know GOD. Period

Who said anything about bartering with GOD? Who even suggested this?

I will rephrase the question
What does "abiding/remaining" in Christ look like.

Abiding looks like one hidden in Christ

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

GOD was not the orchestrator of Job's suffering

Get over yourself and quit putting words in my mouth

 

[brinny]

The Reason Why Job Suffered?

So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?

The title of your thread caught my eye. The question you ask, is a curious one, however.

Are you asking why Job suffered, from GOD'S perspective, or Job's?

Thank you kindly.

 

[miknik5]

Abiding looks like one hidden in Christ

Have you been laundered
Did you have to learn by what you suffered. Or are you just stating by rote that we must remain in HIM

How does a "priest" minister for others?

Abiding in CHRIST looks like Hebrews 11

Abiding in Christ means "not by power or by might by MY SPIRIT

And abiding in CHRIST means you know of whose SPIRIT you truly are of and you do not "go out"

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?

I don't think God really did.It seems to me he responded with more or less, "Who are you to question what I do?" and left it at that. That is the answer I got out of His response.

edit: God doesn't have to answer to you, and for me it seems to be the sin of pride that has us question Him as though we can know better than Him.

 

[dqhall]

Job claimed he was suffering and being punished unjustly. In his speech he indicated the wicked were punished for their wickedness. He argued to his friends he was suffering an unjust punishment. His friend accused him of greed and not being kind to the poor.

Job 22 (WEB):
6 For you have taken pledges from your brother for nothing,
and stripped the naked of their clothing.
7 You haven’t given water to the weary to drink,
and you have withheld bread from the hungry.
8 But as for the mighty man, he had the earth.
The honorable man, he lived in it.
9 You have sent widows away empty,
and the arms of the fatherless have been broken.
10 Therefore snares are around you.
Sudden fear troubles you,
11 or darkness, so that you can not see,
and floods of waters cover you.

Job maintained that he had been kind to the poor. Job thought God had turned against him. In this story, God spoke from the whirlwind and told Job he lacked knowledge of many things. He did not know the depths of the earth, nor the height of the heavens. Job had not been present to help the animals raising their young. Job was humbled and grew richer than before living to the age of 140 years old.

 

[W2L]

Here is a scripture I just ran across, about abiding in the Lord.

1 John 4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him

20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can[c] he love God whom he has not seen?

 

[Achilles6129]

The Reason Why Job Suffered?


The title of your thread caught my eye. The question you ask, is a curious one, however.

Are you asking why Job suffered, from GOD'S perspective, or Job's?

Thank you kindly.

Either.

 

[miknik5]

Get over yourself and quit putting words in my mouth

The same goes for you who said "we know what you believe"

In fact I believe that statement was not actually o. Truth but more derogatory

 

[tickingclocker]

I often get tired of wondering why God does things. I end up so worn out that I just say God is control, not me, and if he kills me then he kills me, if he gives me life then he gives me life. Who am I to war against God? I hope in his righteousness, his mercy.

And we will go through unanswered trials until we do recognize and accept that God alone has the right to be in control of--every thing, and not us. We have no right to determine what is to happen, even in our own lives. We willingly gave up that right when we accepted salvation through Jesus Christ, His Son. Sometimes we determine to take it back in a certain area. God sees that and knows its not for our own good, so sends us through trials. Essentially He's telling us, you WILL learn this lesson for your own good even if it breaks My heart and takes your entire life of suffering, it will be for My glory!

Job finally got that. He knew it existentially, but not practically. Just as he thought he "knew" God, but only knew "of" God. The Lord became a more personal and quite real Lord to Job in the end.

God was primarily confronting Satan there, to show Satan the ultimate lesson and not secondary Job. That's what I see. He knew Job needed to learn that one lesson, so used Satan.... to indirectly 'teach' the former Archangel through a humble man, Job--just how to TRULY glorify God, and accept that GOD alone can ever be Sovereign. Poetic justice at its pristine best. Satan isn't smarter than God as he may think he is. I wonder if Satan ever got the true intent? He had no intention of "worshiping" God when he gathered with the other angels before Him. God knew that. (Job 1:6, 7)

It's always ALL about the Lord. Everyone else is nothing more than a support character.

 

[brinny]

Either.

In that case, the answer is revealed in the very beginning of the book of Job.

Thank you kindly.

(i will elaborate if you wish)

 

[tickingclocker]

an interesting link on why you can't barter with God
http://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/theologically-driven/why-you-can-t-barter-with-god.html

Why does it matter whether or not we can barter with God? Because if we can’t barter with Him, that means we have to accept His terms. We can’t entice Him with our offers. We can only accept His offers. He is not impressed by our promises of service or obedience and will not respond to them. But He, of His own will, determined to offer us a relationship with Him as a gift on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ. We must submit ourselves fully to Him, offering our lives to Jesus as Lord. And He promises to give us eternal life—a relationship with Him.

God is the one who establishes what He will do and what we will do, and we either accept or reject those terms. But we can’t try to change the terms to something we prefer—you can’t barter with God.​

All of Job's friends were barterers. His wife was a fatalist. Still not the point of the story but merely backdrops to what is going on all around us.

The abiding is what matters and that is a process of sanctification now.

Job's friends were a type of Satan. He tried bartering with Jesus Christ. He tries to barter with believers. (No need to barter with what you already own--unbelievers.)

 

[miknik5]

Be still and know that I am GOD

Even the dream if Nebuchadnezzer is a prophecy of exalted man coming to understand that GOD is Sovereign in all things

And it was when exalted man acknowledged GOD as sovereign that he was restored.

I do not believe that Job exalted himself at all

I believe this is a prophetic story of what is going to happen in the last days and will be the further distinguishing mark between those who knew GOD and those who simply borrowed THE NAME