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The Reason Why Job Suffered?

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Also , the story of job isnt to teach us to annoy God till he fixes what's broken..simply put in this world..anything can happen, no one lives forever..and our family and friends and all the connections we make do mean something to us but things happen. They just do...and when they happen what will you do? I think Job just teaches us to stick close to God in the face of adversity as much as possible. Just my opinion.
 
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I agree somewhat, its supposed to be a guideline imo..but for that homeless man..lazarus( the beggar) would be a better comparison..some get their rewards here on earth.....others in heaven..the bible does say to store for yourselves rewards I heaven.
 
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I have a question...first I want to say I agree with your well thought out response. I do think its necessary to repent perhaps for believing/ attributing your works, even if they may be godly to your well being as God is in control of that...but how di we develop trust if.. Despite all this, prayer and attending services ECT from a godly motive is still wrong...aren't we supposed to expect God to follow through on his promises.. He does promise to protect us...ao I dont get that..thatbis throwing me for a loop.
 
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Christians routinely go thru losing everything in the process of sanctification. Who hasn't spiritually lost everything for Christ. Boldness doesn't come from being a wimp it comes from learning meekness
What do you mean by wimp?
 
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I agree , I love your attitude
 
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I agree with this BC after I left the church..i was totally alone..i struggled and still do with the thought god doesn't like me or I'm just cursed ... Leading to lots of panic attacks and depression...so I get this... But recently i met some good Christians online that's helping me work through my pain...so I agree as Christians we have to come together to help the broken hearted lest their faith become ship wrecked.
 
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Elihu had a problem with the fact that, "He was also angry with the three friends, because they had found no way to refute Job, and yet had condemned him." (Job 32:3)
Job had made his apology (defense), he had maintained his innocence and as God had said initially he was blameless, upright, did good and shunned evil. Several points worth noting:

I made a covenant with my eyes
not to look lustfully at a young woman. (Job 31:1)

let God weigh me in honest scales
and he will know that I am blameless (Job 31:6)

If my heart has been enticed by a woman,
or if I have lurked at my neighbor’s door, (Job 31:9)

If I have denied justice to any of my servants,
whether male or female, (Job 31:13)

If I have denied the desires of the poor
or let the eyes of the widow grow weary (Job 31:16)

If I have put my trust in gold
or said to pure gold, ‘You are my security, (Job 31:24)
There are other points, this is just a sampling of the argument (apology) of Job answering his friends charge that he was being punished. Job had asked what he had done, and if he had done something why doesn't he forgive me. He lamented that there was no advocate, no place to meet God in court and worried that even if there were he wouldn't be able to defend himself adequately.

He talks a lot about what he is going to say and then doesn't say much. Starting about Job 36:27, I think he is describing the approaching storm; rain, lighting, wind, thunder:

At this my heart pounds
and leaps from its place.
Listen! Listen to the roar of his voice,
to the rumbling that comes from his mouth. (Job 37:1,2)​

Instead of preaching at this point he is getting a little scared, I mean I know I would be. I love this line, now instead of preaching he almost seems to be imploring Job:

Tell us what we should say to him;
we cannot draw up our case because of our darkness. (Job 37:19)
These men knew Job was righteous. That wasn't the problem, or maybe it was part of the problem. This is what had Elihu so incensed:

But Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, became very angry with Job for justifying himself rather than God. (Job 32:2)
They just didn't know why, it is revealed to a great extent in the New Testament:

Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. (James 1:12)

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matt. 5:11,12)​

Job didn't know that God's people are sometimes called to prove their faithfulness. He couldn't have possibly known that his problems were due to God bragging on him. At least the New Testament warns us that we could be on display, the persecution of the early church being a prime example.

We shouldn't judge these men too harshly, they didn't really know what was going on. I still think the key to the whole thing is summed up in three words, 'My man Job'.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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That is so lovely , I love this post. Also, what about those who suffer for no reason or fault of their own...like people born blind and deaf or those born into unfair situations like a brothel in india or starvation in Africa ....does god think the same about them?
 
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Yes, just because there is an aspect of humanity to learn from (suffering) doesn't mean that is the point of the allegory. Lazerus, or even Joseph, would be a better story to help inspire people in suffering situations.
 
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Yes, just because there is an aspect of humanity to learn from (suffering) doesn't mean that is the point of the allegory. Lazerus, or even Joseph, would be a better story to help inspire people in suffering situations.
Why are you guys so bitter with jobs story? Do you realize there are some people who have actually lived an experience similar to Job? I read in a magazine where a man lost his family in a car crash... His wife and kids.... So this kinda stuff happens and a story like job is probably the hope they need to keep going. I dont think its a poor lesson but a great one..because any second, events can take a turn for the worst and that's just life...and from somewhere were gonna have to find the will to survive and at that point... The book of Job is it.
 
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It's not bitterness. His story is just atypical on the whole.

There aren't many millionaire Christians who would stand for God 100% even when their "hedge" is broken. In that sense on it's own, Job is not a normal example.

He also had 10 kids, and a wife. That isn't atypical, but for a multi-millionaire to have ten kids is somewhat culturally abnormal.

The fact that Job was already righteous, and didnt "sin" against God to get his circumstances is also atypical. This is why his friends were so important in the exchange; "clearly," Job must have some unrepentant sin.

The fact that Job has real friends who are god-fearing as a multimillionaire is on its own.

To keep in perspective, Job had tens of thousands of livestock. A cow sells for around $2500; 12,000 × 2500 = $30,000,000 worth today. We aren't talking about a guy with a nice $450,000 dream house, a couple of kids and a nice portfolio. Job was wealthy. And, Job was God fearing. What did Christ say about a rich man and a camel? Not impossible, just easier to pass through...

Then, we get to Jobs circumstances which are not necessarily atypical, but when you consider the rest it is. People lose their children, spupses and entire families who are already destitute and in crises of faith.

It isn't comforting to hear, "Well, remember Job - (and his millions and blessing's of kids and how he got it all back!) What do the regular people "get back?" Moderate destitution?

The job story wasn't to comfort people; I think it was an intelligence briefing for us and Job. It is curious the chapter just ends the way it does. Nevertheless, it shows us insight on why some suffer.... juse because.

That isn't comfort or hope for a better future. It is just intelligence.
 
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miknik said:
Do you agree that there even is a devil?


miknik said:
Please speak for yourself and your insights and do not speak or imply "insights" into what I assume or have said...they are not my words...they are yours.


miknik said:
Therefore self professing self and NOT professing what is actually good for us. That being the GIFT of GOD, who is CHRIST JESUS


miknik said:
HE does? What did HE say apart from REMAIN IN ME?

unisys said:
The two terms that come to mind for me for the purpose of this tale are hubris & akrasia. Akrasia is a weakness of will where one acts against their better judgment;

miknik said:
Yes. That has already been known to man to be the problem with man


miknik said:
Already falsely accusing/blaming/cursing GOD and attributing to what should be attributed to satan, to GOD...it isn't GOD'S WAY, HE simply removed the hedge to show satan's way...you just don't recognize that

unisys said:
because truthfully this story is supreme injustice and hatred; it does not exemplify God in truth. But for the purpose of explaining some primitive psychological & religious philosophy, this story does use "God vs Devil"


unisys said:
with extreme situations just to REALLY illustrate the severity of the injustice & trauma, and the severity of Job's righteousness by contrast.

miknik said:
Job's righteousness? Job will testify that he has no self-professed righteousness apart from THE RIGHTEOUSNESS which is of GOD and from GOD


miknik said:
Collectively? With those IN CHRIST and those outside of CHRIST?
Who should teach who?


miknik said:
Who does that? Who, when one is faced with suffering, points their finger and says there must have been something you did? That already is misrepresenting GOD


miknik said:
This last above sentence was one reason why I felt it was necessary NOT to inundate the thread by offering to you anything more than "I don't agree"


I have attached your initial post which I have now responded to.
 
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That is a misrepresentation of GOD. HE doesn't remove HIS "hedge" individually...that is the point of the prophetic use and message of Job...
HE will...one day, remove the HEDGE/no longer HOLD BACK (what HE has by HIS EVERYDAY GRACE upon ALL MEN "held back" so that none were totally destroyed)...and when HE who holds all things back is "TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY" (Temporarily) both will enter into this season of Job...

Blessed the one who waits and trusts in HIM (1335 days) and keeps HIS GARMENT with him, will be saved...
 
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I didn't say it would be on an individual basis, and yet it was, I am talking generally. That is why it is a story of reconnoitering how the enemy tries to destroy. It was intel.

But, Job doesn't boost morale for regular persons like, say, Joseph or Peter would. It is an atypical story to highlight intelligence insights.

It is a sprirtual briefing.
 
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There are people who suffer for no fault of their own but we don't know if it's the same as Job. Paul had a thorn in his flesh because of the revelations he received, that's not the same as children star in in Sudan...or is it?
 
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There aren't many millionaire Christians who would stand for God 100% even when their "hedge" is broken. In that sense on it's own, Job is not a normal example.

Except that isn't not what happened at all. Job did turn against God which is the sin Job eventually repented of. Has anyone even read the book?
 
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