The Reason Why Job Suffered?

[Achilles6129]

The question is, what's the solution to the puzzle of the book? Is it God himself?

 

[miknik5]

The

The question is, what's the solution to the puzzle of the book? Is it God himself?

The "puzzle" is tied to 2 Thessalonians 2

The "hedge" was removed

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The

The "puzzle" is tied to 2 Thessalonians 2

The "hedge" was removed

I agree ... the degree of hedge that remains in the shadows needs to be learnt well.. jus sayin

 

[W2L]

What is this hedge of protection? Stephan was stoned to death. Where was his hedge?

 

[miknik5]

I agree ... the degree of hedge that remains in the shadows needs to be learnt well.. jus sayin

I am not sure I am following that?

Are you referring to GOD as being a launderer?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I am not sure I am following that?

Are you referring to GOD as being a launderer?

Job had protection removed from him so that satan could test him. The pattern now is to abide in Him. As Jesus had to stay under the protection of the word of God in dealing with satan so do believers have to be under the umbrella of abiding. There was no pattern at the time of Job, but the raw edge of what it meant was told in that book, presumably the first book written.

 

[miknik5]

What is this hedge of protection? Stephan was stoned to death. Where was his hedge?

He forewarned us that in this world we would have trouble but to take heart for HE had overcome the world

Stephen did not accuse GOD
Neither did Job

 

[miknik5]

Job had protection removed from him so that satan could test him. The pattern now is to abide in Him. As Jesus had to stay under the protection of the word of God in dealing with satan so do believers have to be under the umbrella of abiding. There was no pattern at the time of Job, but the raw edge of what it meant was told in that book, presumably the first book written.

I see prophecy and foreshadowing of what is going to happen to all men when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way

I see the story of JOB as prophecy and a picture of what will happen in the last days when God removes "HIS HEDGE"

And the type of man that we are to be is exactly as Job

 

[miknik5]

Job had protection removed from him so that satan could test him. The pattern now is to abide in Him. As Jesus had to stay under the protection of the word of God in dealing with satan so do believers have to be under the umbrella of abiding. There was no pattern at the time of Job, but the raw edge of what it meant was told in that book, presumably the first book written.

according to you, did Job abide?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Show me where Job was not abiding in GOD


Because Job held to his integrity

He held to his integrity before his wife who told him to curse God and die (something many will do in the last days) and before his foolish friends who, after encouraging Job to "state his righteous case before GOD" changed their tactics to accusing job of sin simply for the reason that job would not open his mouth before GOD to "state his case"

Exactly... Job was dwelling in his own righteousness that is of the tree of good and evil. For him to be brought into the tree of life he had to achieve God's righteousness. He was stripped of everything, just as we're stripped of the old man. Being that was the OT times presumably he was clothed in God with the power of priesthood to sacrifice for his friends (who were every form of legalism) There was no indwelling or abiding at that time

Perhaps the whirlwind was the breath w/o the fire

 

[ewq1938]

Do you think he just 'thought' to curse God and die but didn't voice it??

He voiced it quite often.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

He voiced it quite often.

Yes he did and to blame it on the wife or friends seems not quite the case imo they're just the filler or backdrop to the story
if anything the wife is the reprobate church and the friends are legalism that issues from it

 

[Philip_B]

To me the story of Job is about what to do when bad things happen to good people. There was a book with that title a while back that was very helpful. The issue in some ways is about the friends, who wanted to help Job see it was his fault. The reality it was not Job's fault. When we support people in trouble it is tempting to make it their fault, especially if the alternative seems to be to make it God's fault. Our task is to be with people in the dark places, as well as in the sunny places.

Sometimes bad things happen and there is no reason, only madness. Faith gives us strength, it does not give us all the answers and it certainly does not make us an expert. Faith gives us strength to hang on to people who are having trouble hanging on for themselves.

We want to have a world view that says, God is Good, God is Just and God is All Powerful, therefore bad things do not happen to good people. The reality is bad things do happen to good people, and it is not because God is not Good or Just or All Powerful, but rather because God is not the only force at work in the world. It would be nice to live in a perfect world, but we don't.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes he did and to blame it on the wife or friends seems not quite the case imo they're just the filler or backdrop to the story
if anything the wife is the reprobate church and the friends are legalism that issues from it

And what is he then?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

And what is he then?

I guess he would be the individual standing before God. If you see a different picture then that is the pattern that must line up with the rest of scripture or be false doctrine (ie: legalism) I believe that it's a shadow of the process that is upheld thru-out scripture that describes discipleship, to include filling up the suffering of Christ, because of the abiding.

Anyway, have to go knit another coat. Have a good night/day. God bless

 

[tatteredsoul]

Job suffered because... just because.

There is a bit of insight in the bible about a wager... but he didn't warrant suffering with his own works, necessarily.

I don't think the book of Job is helpful for people suffering because it is an unrelatable comparison.

Many pepole who go through horrible times never had millions of dollars in wealth like Job. They dont have 10+ children and a wife/husband. And, they aren't as righteous as Job is described. He had it taken all away, but Job also got it all back. You can't compare Job to a homeless person who has been unemployed years seeking God, because they are fundamentally different - concretely.

 

[miknik5]

He voiced it quite often.

Show me where he voiced it quite often

Supply just one time where Job agreed with his wife or his friends on what he should do

 

[miknik5]

Exactly... Job was dwelling in his own righteousness that is of the tree of good and evil. For him to be brought into the tree of life he had to achieve God's righteousness. He was stripped of everything, just as we're stripped of the old man. Being that was the OT times presumably he was clothed in God with the power of priesthood to sacrifice for his friends (who were every form of legalism) There was no indwelling or abiding at that time

Perhaps the whirlwind was the breath w/o the fire

No. Job was not full of himself
No. Job did not view himself as more righteous than any other which is why he would not listen to his well-meaning but ignorant of Who GOD is "friends" telling him to state his case before GOD

As if he could somehow remind GOD of the list of his most righteous works!

Job couldn't and he wouldn't

Job understood by opening his mouth before GOD, he not only exalts himself to a level equal with GOD( as if the two of them could come together and sit side by side and discuss his case) but he also, by opening his mouth, deems and judges his brothers as "less righteous/less worthy" than himself

Yes he did and to blame it on the wife or friends seems not quite the case imo they're just the filler or backdrop to the story
if anything the wife is the reprobate church and the friends are legalism that issues from it

No he didn't voice it
Not even once

 

[miknik5]

Job suffered because... just because.

There is a bit of insight in the bible about a wager... but he didn't warrant suffering with his own works, necessarily.

I don't think the book of Job is helpful for people suffering because it is an unrelatable comparison.

Many pepole who go through horrible times never had millions of dollars in wealth like Job. They dont have 10+ children and a wife/husband. And, they aren't as righteous as Job is described. He had it taken all away, but Job also got it all back. You can't compare Job to a homeless person who has been unemployed years seeking God, because they are fundamentally different - concretely.

The book of Job is very helpful and a reminder to all who will suffer. Fur Job pled and prophecied mankind's dilemma :

If only there were a "datsman" between us who could lay his hand on the both of us and bring us together

There is:

CHRIST JESUS

and Job, not understanding that he is in service to us said:
I know my redeemer lives and after my flesh has been destroyed still and even in my own flesh my eyes shall see HIM standing upon The earth in the last days

 

[miknik5]

To me the story of Job is about what to do when bad things happen to good people. There was a book with that title a while back that was very helpful. The issue in some ways is about the friends, who wanted to help Job see it was his fault. The reality it was not Job's fault. When we support people in trouble it is tempting to make it their fault, especially if the alternative seems to be to make it God's fault. Our task is to be with people in the dark places, as well as in the sunny places.

Sometimes bad things happen and there is no reason, only madness. Faith gives us strength, it does not give us all the answers and it certainly does not make us an expert. Faith gives us strength to hang on to people who are having trouble hanging on for themselves.

We want to have a world view that says, God is Good, God is Just and God is All Powerful, therefore bad things do not happen to good people. The reality is bad things do happen to good people, and it is not because God is not Good or Just or All Powerful, but rather because God is not the only force at work in the world. It would be nice to live in a perfect world, but we don't.

Yes. Which is why after job wouldn't state his case before GOD, his well-meaning, but ignorant of GOD, "friends" changed their tactics and assumed within themselves that Job had sinned

This is what I meant when I said Job held to his integrity

Not that he thought he was more righteous than any other, but because he hadn't sinned and he understood that both the sun and the rain shine on and fall on both the "godly" and the ungodly