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The reason for homosexuality

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There is a reason for unnatural desire, and it is clearly explained in the bible.

[BIBLE]Romans 1: 18-32

God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.[/BIBLE]
 

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You're right, soulfinder.

I made the "choice" to follow "unnatural desire" when I was eight.

I remember it just like it was yesterday: it was April, 1963 and I looked out my bedroom window at a cherry tree which was blossoming in our side yard and decided, "I'm going to become a HO-MO-SEXUAL!"

And if you believe that, I have some beachfront property on the Texas plains I'd like to show you... ;)
 
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Even heterosexuals sometimes have to deal with unnatural desire.

It is simple to turn away from it, realizing that it is wroung.

If for any reason you don't understand why you have these desires, please ask the Lord and He can show you why.

You know -- I've never had a problem with "unnatural desire" for women.

In fact, I find the idea of heterosexual sex to be rather repulsive - just as you find the idea of homosexual sex to be rather repulsive.

And by the way -- I already did the thing of asking God why I was gay and could He take it away and did all of that between 1966 and 1970; and God finally got it through my head that I was the way I was and that was that and it wasn't going to change -- and I got the distinct message from God to stop groveling on the ground and apologizing for my existence and start living like everybody else!
 
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Satan is the reason behind it.
If Satan never tempted Eve to eat the apple, we'd all still be in the garden with no homosexuality right now.

Eve did not eat an apple. Read the story carefully. There is no mention of an apple.
 
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Eve did not eat an apple. Read the story carefully. There is no mention of an apple.

I said she was tempted by Satan.
So what. Apple or no apple, she was tempted by Satan to eat from the Tree.

:p
 
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We have within us the knowledge of good and evil. It is up to us to deside our path.

If you ask Jesus for help, He certainly can help you to be righteouss. You may even be blessed by God.

I did that.

God helped keep my head clear to make decisions about what to do with my ex-partner's body (he died in a pedestrian/automobile accident), the death certificates, contacting the insurance company, his parents, his family, the mortuary, the crematorium, arranging for the funeral at the church, the disposal of ashes, etc. -- and truly did for me what I could not have done for myself.

Now, I'm in a 17 year relationship and we've bought a home together in a nice neighborhood, are both employed, rapidly paying off our debts, live with wonderful neighbors and attend a church where we're both happy.

I'd say God has blessed us.
 
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You know -- I've never had a problem with "unnatural desire" for women.

In fact, I find the idea of heterosexual sex to be rather repulsive - just as you find the idea of homosexual sex to be rather repulsive.

And by the way -- I already did the thing of asking God why I was gay and could He take it away and did all of that between 1966 and 1970; and God finally got it through my head that I was the way I was and that was that and it wasn't going to change -- and I got the distinct message from God to stop groveling on the ground and apologizing for my existence and start living like everybody else!

Hetrosexual sex is natural. It is the way we produce babies.

Homosex is rather dirty(literally, that is where your poo comes from), unnatural, and produces nothing but pleasure. It is unfruitful.
 
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I said she was tempted by Satan.
So what. Apple or no apple, she was tempted by Satan to eat from the Tree.

:p

Hey: you all are the ones who accuse US of misquoting or "twisting" Scripture.

Of course, I believe the Genesis creation stories (and Babel, and the Flood) to be instructive myths and not real-life events.

(See? I don't pick the parts of Scripture which "are supposed to apply to me" and dismiss them because I'm "trying to justify my lifestyle" (whatever that is).)
 
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Hey: you all are the ones who accuse US of misquoting or "twisting" Scripture.

Of course, I believe the Genesis creation stories (and Babel, and the Flood) to be instructive myths and not real-life events.

(See? I don't pick the parts of Scripture which "are supposed to apply to me" and dismiss them because I'm "trying to justify my lifestyle" (whatever that is).)


For some reason Apple would always come to my head when I read the bible about Tree of Life. Touche on the apple.

But honestly, no one said you had to stop being gay. The bible just states if you want to follow God, you cannot practice homosexuality and must abstain from it.
Your welcome to go back to the world of the Flesh and practice homosexuality if you want to.

Likewise for hetrosexuals, they must abstain from sexual practices before marriage.

Look on the brightside, at least you don't get tempted by women :thumbsup:

:p :p :p
 
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Hetrosexual sex is natural. It is the way we produce babies.

Homosex is rather dirty(literally, that is where your poo comes from), unnatural, and produces nothing but pleasure. It is unfruitful.

Heterosexual sex is natural -- for heterosexuals.

It's completely unnatural for gays. I find the idea of heterosexual sex repulsive, though I'm aware that my straight friends seem to love it.

Of course, you're making the assumption that all gays engage in anal sex -- and no straight people engage in anal sex.

PLENTY of heterosexual people engage in anal sex; and there are also plenty of gay people who don't engage in anal sex.

And there are even some of us who (because of things like diabetes and advanced thyroid disease) who don't even HAVE sex (gasp!) and we live with our partners because... ...well, we love them and have made a commitment to the relationship!
 
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For some reason Apple would always come to my head when I read the bible about Tree of Life. Touche on the apple.

But honestly, no one said you had to stop being gay. The bible just states if you want to follow God, you cannot practice homosexuality and must abstain from it.
Your welcome to go back to the world of the Flesh and practice homosexuality if you want to.

Likewise for hetrosexuals, they must abstain from sexual practices before marriage.

Look on the brightside, at least you don't get tempted by women :thumbsup:

:p :p :p

Which is really odd, because on a platonic level -- I really like women! I find women are much easier to get along with (generally) than men!

Could be because sex with a women is definitely not going to happen....
 
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Heterosexual sex is natural -- for heterosexuals.

It's completely unnatural for gays. I find the idea of heterosexual sex repulsive, though I'm aware that my straight friends seem to love it.

Of course, you're making the assumption that all gays engage in anal sex -- and no straight people engage in anal sex.

PLENTY of heterosexual people engage in anal sex; and there are also plenty of gay people who don't engage in anal sex.

And there are even some of us who (because of things like diabetes and advanced thyroid disease) who don't even HAVE sex (gasp!) and we live with our partners because... ...well, we love them and have made a commitment to the relationship!

Anal sex is disgusting and in my opinion ungodly no matter who performs it: Homosexual or Hetrosexual

You may fight hetrosexuality repulsive. Think of it this way,
A women has a virgina for a reason the same way a man has a penis for a reason: lets not abuse their purpose.

I know you may have feelings for another man. I haven't told you that you can't have those feelings. All I said is homosexuality, the practice of it, is not a godly thing within the bible and forbidden as long as you are a christian.

Being a christian isn't always fair.
How do you think I feel about not being allowed to touch and have pre-marital sexual practices.
 
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Which is really odd, because on a platonic level -- I really like women! I find women are much easier to get along with (generally) than men!

Could be because sex with a women is definitely not going to happen....

No one is asking you to do anything. You could completely abstain from sex altogether and put that focus more on God. All scriptures say is to abstain from lustful thoughts and all forms of sexuality out of marrage. So this applies to both you and I.

The only exception is that men and women can be married, mostly for the purpose of having children.

After all, we got the sperm ;)
They got the eggs.

So it is natural in that sense that our bodies are meant to have sex with the opposite gender to produce children.

But God made an exception---that all sexuality must be within a marriage between a man and a women.
 
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Careful guys, naming certain body parts (although I know you don't mean to be vulgar or so it seemed) may get you kicked out.

Just looking out for ya.

Penis and Virgina is the correct terms for those organs. I was not being vulgar.
 
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