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I saw Him in His Clearness like Moses did.Moses saw a bush on fire that was never consumed. G-d called to Moses by name from within the bush. The children of Israel heard the voice out of the mist of the fire, however they saw no similitude or form. This was certainly a spiritual message, as John saw the Spirit descending on Yeshua like a dove, John heard a voice from heaven. We walk by faith and not by sight. What do you see when you hear his voice? Do you see any form or similitude like Moses or John? Or are we like the children of Israel that hear his voice but do not see the Spirit in any form or shape? We know that our G-d is a consuming fire, but Moses saw a bush on fire that was never consumed!
Exodus 24:10Deuteronomy 34:7
The paved work of sapphire stone was very clear, He wrote the 10 commandments on those precious clear stones with his finger. Moses took those beautiful and precious stones with the 10 commandments inscribed on both sides, front and back. Moses turned and walked down the mountain, Moses heard the sound of singing. Moses saw the calf and dancing, and in his anger he broke those precious stones into pieces at the foot of the mountain. Moses burned the calf in the fire, grounded it into powder, scattered it across the water, then he made Israel drink it.Exodus 24:10
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
As scripture indicates it was "His" clearness and not "its" clearness.The paved work of sapphire stone was very clear, He wrote the 10 commandments on those precious clear stones with his finger. Moses took those beautiful and precious stones with the 10 commandments inscribed on both sides, front and back. Moses turned and walked down the mountain, Moses heard the sound of singing. Moses saw the calf and dancing, and in his anger he broke those precious stones into pieces at the foot of the mountain. Moses burned the calf in the fire, grounded it into powder, scattered it across the water, then he made Israel drink it.
His clearness is seen in Torah law, "it (sapphire stone) was as the body of heaven in his clearness", his is in italics.As scripture indicates it was "His" clearness and not "its" clearness.
You asked me, "What do "clouds" represent in the days of Noah?" I wrote, "They represent clouds. Do you have a verse that says otherwise?" You then gave me a verse about Moses.Exodus 24:18
Moses heard a voice from the bush, G-d called Moses by name. Moses entered the cloud as he went up the mountain (Exodus 24:18), he received the Law. Those raptured up in the air alive (in the clouds) will be judged, the Law only have authority over a man while he lives (Romans 7:1).You asked me, "What do "clouds" represent in the days of Noah?" I wrote, "They represent clouds. Do you have a verse that says otherwise?" You then gave me a verse about Moses.
Also, the verse you gave me speaks of a cloud in which the glory of YHWH abode. The cloud was not YHWH just as the burning bush was not YHWH.
My statement was not theology, but an experience with God. I saw Him in His Clearness.His clearness is seen in Torah law, "it (sapphire stone) was as the body of heaven in his clearness", his is in italics.
You lost me. I have no idea what you are trying to teach. Please state plainly what you want me to learn.Moses heard a voice from the bush, G-d called Moses by name. Moses entered the cloud as he went up the mountain (Exodus 24:18), he received the Law. Those raptured up in the air alive (in the clouds) will be judged, the Law only have authority over a man while he lives (Romans 7:1).
You quoted three verses that I believe. They both teach that people can be resurrected from the dead. However, they don't teach what you say they teach unless you say what they teach. How about explaining in your own words what you see in those verses?Matthew 27:52-53 and 1Thessalonians 4:15
What happened to those that were raised to life? Did not holy people who were resurrected appear to many in the city? Moses entered the clouds as he went up the mountain, he received the Law. Yeshua appeared unto his disciples after his ressurrection for 40 days preaching the kingdom of G-d; Yeshua ascended in the sky a cloud hid him from their sight.You quoted three verses that I believe. They both teach that people can be resurrected from the dead. However, they don't teach what you say they teach unless you say what they teach. How about explaining in your own words what you see in those verses?
They ascended to heaven with Yeshua as the firstfruits of the barley harvest (Yeshua being the first of the firstfruits).What happened to those that were raised to life? Did not holy people who were resurrected appear to many in the city?
Yes, they both ascended into a literal cloud. What is your point?Moses entered the clouds as he went up the mountain, he received the Law. Yeshua appeared unto his disciples after his ressurrection for 40 days preaching the kingdom of G-d; Yeshua ascended in the sky a cloud hid him from their sight.
Where is it written that they ascended into heaven? Moses did enter the cloud as he went up the mountain, he received the Law. The holy people appeared to many in the city.They ascended to heaven with Yeshua as the firstfruits of the barley harvest they both ascended into a literal cloud. What is your point?
If Yeshua was the first of the firstfruits of the barley harvest and the 144,000 are the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, then who is the firstfruits of the barley harvest? Who are the 24 elders of Revelation 4:4? The only ones that could fulfill them are those in Matthew 27:52-53. Since Yeshua had already resurrected, there was nothing preventing their resurrection unto eternal life or their ascension into heaven.Where is it written that they ascended into heaven?
I have often thought about the resurrected people at around the time of Yeshua's resurrection. Where did they go? Why were they resurrected? Yeshua as our High Priest, in His first order of business would need the wave sheaf, were they the firstfruits of His wave sheaf in heaven? So I am thinking along the same lines as you are.If Yeshua was the first of the firstfruits of the barley harvest and the 144,000 are the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, then who is the firstfruits of the barley harvest? Who are the 24 elders of Revelation 4:4? The only ones that could fulfill them are those in Matthew 27:52-53. Since Yeshua had already resurrected, there was nothing preventing their resurrection unto eternal life or their ascension into heaven.
Where is it written that they went to heaven? Revelation pertains to a vision. Again they went into the city. They "united together with those that were alive in the city" .If Yeshua was the first of the firstfruits of the barley harvest and the 144,000 are the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, then who is the firstfruits of the barley harvest? Who are the 24 elders of Revelation 4:4? The only ones that could fulfill them are those in Matthew 27:52-53. Since Yeshua had already resurrected, there was nothing preventing their resurrection unto eternal life or their ascension into heaven.
I was thinking Yeshua himself fulfills the wave sheaf since he is the firstfruit, but I suppose it is possible that those resurrected in Matthew 27 could fulfill it.Yeshua as our High Priest, in His first order of business would need the wave sheaf, were they the firstfruits of His wave sheaf in heaven? So I am thinking along the same lines as you are.
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