The Rapture Of The Church

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The 1st beast is not the Grecian empire revived and will not be the eighth kingdom

Daniel 8 :21
The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between his eyes is the first king.

Daniel 8:22
The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.


Daniel 8:23
"In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

this teaches that in the last days...the grecian kingdom will be revived and a king shall come....which will be the antichrist...peace
 
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hi trumpeter......the answer is revived greece according to daniel.....greece broke up into 4 divisions....turkey greece syria and egypt.......antichrist comes from the syrian division and conquers the 3.....turkey greece and egypt.....the rest of the 6 kingdoms (of the 10 toes) will submit to him.....thus the grecian empire will be revived by antichrist......this is the 8th beast.....is one of the 7 and goes into perdition ......

we conclude that of the 10 kingdoms to come....4 kingdoms are revealed in scripture

1 greecian kingdom
2 syrian kingdom
3 egyptian kingdom
4 turkeys kingdom
5 ???????
6 ???????
7 ???????
8 ???????
9 ???????
10 ??????

peace

What are all the question marks for and who do they represent?
 
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I conclude that the prophet was instructed to lay on his left side for 390 days and his right side for 40 days. I conclude these days represent 430 years.....just like it says. I conclude that the Jews were instructed to return to the land after 70 years. They did not. Therefore they would be punished 7 times more, just like it says. I conclude that if you multiply the remaining 360years x 7 and convert Biblical years to our calander and add those years to the point in time they were instructed to return to the land you will arrive at 1948........just like it says.

But the 7 times of Leviticus does not indicate time, just like it does not say.

1948 was a date created by the Zionist conspirators--and was part of Albert Pike's 3-world-war blueprint--the 2nd being to re-establish the nation of Israel.

The Middle East is a counterfeit prophecy.

The Day for Year Principle of Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34 belongs to the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27, the 2300 days of Daniel 8, the 3 1/2 times of Daniel 7, the 1260, 1290 and 1335 of Daniel 12, and the 3 1/2 times, 1260 days and 42 months of Revelation 11, 12, and 13. Not Leviticus 26--an unapocalyptic book that contains NO symbols or prophetic time.

Quit saying "just like it says", when it clearly, and unapologetically, does "not say".
 
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Daniel 8 :21
The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between his eyes is the first king.

Daniel 8:22
The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.


Daniel 8:23
"In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

this teaches that in the last days...the grecian kingdom will be revived and a king shall come....which will be the antichrist...peace

Looking good except for the last line. Daniel 11:3-32 has the king of the south (Egypt) and the king of north (Syria) fighting each other over many years ending around 168 BC. In the end times the king of the south (v.40) will attack the king of the north in verses 36-39. The king descibed here is the Antichrist and king of the north from the former Seleucid Empire. Syria is the region where the Antichrist comes from.
 
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What are all the question marks for and who do they represent?

scripture does not reveal who the other 6 kingdoms are....but we know of 4 kingdoms to come....which are syrian grecian egyptian and turkey.....
 
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Looking good except for the last line. Daniel 11:3-32 has the king of the south (Egypt) and the king of north (Syria) fighting each other over many years ending around 168 BC. In the end times the king of the south (v.40) will attack the king of the north in verses 36-39. The king descibed here is the Antichrist and king of the north from the former Seleucid Empire. Syria is the region where the Antichrist comes from.

yes.... this is true.....here in dan 11 is a picture of the antichrist from the old seleucid empire who begins to rise...........antichrist begins from syria.... and war begins between syrian kingdom of antichrist and egypt......then he continues to war to gain the other kingdoms of turkey and greece.......when he gains egypt turkey and greece... the revived grecian empire is formed....the 1st beast of Rev.is formed.....the other 6 kingdoms submit to him...but his empire consist of greece turkey syria and egypt......the 8th empire....

thus... the future 10 kingdom empire will rule a short space and is the 7th mountain...the 7th world empire

dan 11... reveals what kingdom of the 10 kingdoms the antichrist comes from ....the syrian kingdom...he will be the king of the future syrian kingdom

dan 8... reveals the 8th mountain or 8th world empire (the beast) where antichrist rules from...the grecian empire revived will be his empire.....and it will last 7 years

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You are right. The eighth king is the Antichrist. And he once was before Johns day and is not in Johns day and will come again.......and be the eighth king.

This eighth king.....the antichrist, is part of all 7 kingdoms.

So you need to figure out how this is possible.

Of the four regions that emerged from Alexander’s empire, Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt, only Syria was within the territorial boundaries of all six kingdoms. The six kingdoms were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Compare area maps of each kingdom. A map of the Egyptian conquest of Syria might be difficult to find; I do remember reading in the OT about an Egyptian king conquering that area.

A revision of the Roman Empire will occur when the ten toes of Daniel’s statue form an economic union and become the ten horns on the sixth head of the dragon.

When the little horn or Antichrist subdues three of the ten horns the seventh head of the dragon will appear with 3 horns on its head to form the 7th kingdom. His conquest of the 3 horns creates the revived Assyrian Empire that once was, and now is not and is to come.

A revision of the 7th kingdom or 7th head will occur when the ten horns give their “power and authority” to the Antichrist (Rev 17:12-14). The ten horns now on the 7th head of the beast is the final and eighth kingdom that makes war against the Lamb.
 
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yes.... this is true.....here in dan 11 is a picture of the antichrist from the old seleucid empire who begins to rise...........antichrist begins from syria.... and war begins between syrian kingdom of antichrist and egypt......then he continues to war to gain the other kingdoms of turkey and greece.......when he gains egypt turkey and greece... the revived grecian empire is formed....the 1st beast of Rev.is formed.....the other 6 kingdoms submit to him...but his empire consist of greece turkey syria and egypt......the 8th empire....
Greece under Alexander did not persecute God’ people or did he invade Israel. It was the king of the north of the Seleucid Empire that invaded Israel and he will again in the end times. Syria, as the king of the north, is the dominate figure in the end times, not Greece.

The “other 6 kingdoms” are long gone, only the Assyrian Empire is revived in the end times.
dan 8... reveals the 8th mountain or 8th world empire (the beast) where antichrist rules from...the grecian empire revived will be his empire.....and it will last 7 years
There are only 7 mountains or 7 heads of the beast. The 7th and 8th kings are manifested in the 7th head.
 
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In Daniel 7 the little horn was not the first little horn that Daniel saw. He was another little horn. This horn will pluck up other littles and not the main ten kings.
Only one little horn that plucks up 3 of the orignal horns.

Dan 7:24
The ten horns are ten kings who will come (from the old Roman Empire). After (the ten arise) another king (the Antichrist) will arise, different from the earlier (ten horns); he (Antichrist) will subdue three kings, (leaving 7 kings independent of the Antichrist.


Now let's get back to the subject of the thread, the rapture of the church.
 
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And the two part opening post of current thread titled "a Scriptural Precedent" presents scriptural proof that our Lord is coming back more than one more time.

I would agree that our Lord is coming back more than one time. But only one more time for salvation. Probation is closed forever at this point. "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." (Heb. 9:28)

The third coming will transpire at the end of the millennium, not for the righteous, but to hold the last judgment of the wicked.

1. Second Coming (pre-millennial)-- All saints, from Adam to the Last righteous Man are "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air -- at the same time the wicked receive "sudden destruction", and shall "not escape". The earth is left 100% void and desolate, save for Satan and his demonic hosts trapped on this wilderness earth for 1000 years, while the saints reign with Christ in the New Jerusalem in heaven for 1000 years, and partake in the judgment of the wicked and of fallen angels.

2. Third Coming (post-millennial)-- Christ, all the saints, and the New Jerusalem descend back to the earth. The New Jerusalem settles on the Mount of Olives after Christ descends upon it with his feet, cleaving it into a great purified plain for the Beloved City to settle down on. Every wicked person that has ever lived is "resurrected"--so that they can now see the verdict of their wicked ways and receive the "second death". After all the nations resurrect, Satan is now loosed from his chain (not being able to tempt people, and being trapped on this planet), and goes out to deceive (or convince) all the nations that just resurrected in the four-corners of the earth, that the New Jerusalem can be besieged and overtaken. The wicked are already lost, but he deceives them into thinking that Beloved City, the New Jerusalem, that came down out of heaven can be taken. After all, might as well make a "shot" for it seeing they are all lost anyway. The Great White Throne Judgment occurs, where all the saints are safe inside the city and the books are opened and every single wicked person sees exactly why they were lost--every mouth confesses and kneels before God. But then they carry out their last act (only proving that even then, they still won't change)--and they surround the New Jerusalem. But then fire comes down out of heaven---and they burn "for ages and ages" (aion to aion)--some burn up quickly, others may take years to burn. Satan will probably burn for centuries. All will burn in length in proportion to the light that they knew and spurned the warnings.

The Lake of Fire will be one seething ocean that covers the breadth of the earth, save the spot where the New Jerusalem rests. It will be like a repeat of Noah and the Flood, but this time, not by water, but by fire.

After the fire has done its thorough job in consuming all the elements. When the flood of waters was at its height upon the earth, it had the appearance of a boundless lake of water. When God finally purifies the earth, it will appear like a boundless lake of fire. As God preserved the ark amid the commotions of the Flood, because it contained eight righteous persons, He will preserve the New Jerusalem, containing the faithful of all ages, from righteous Abel down to the last saint which lived. Although the whole earth, with the exception of that portion where the city rests, will be wrapped in a sea of liquid fire, yet the city is preserved as was the ark, by a miracle of Almighty power. It stands unharmed amid the devouring elements.

The physical reign on earth will not transpire until after the millennium--after the earth has been made new.

The reign during the 1000 years transpires in heaven, before coming down with the New Jerusalem.


That interpretation my friend resolves the so called "mystery" concerning this "2-part" coming. Dispensationalists try to resolve this by having the rapture at the beginning of the tribulation, and the second coming at the end of the tribulation---because they don't know how to harmonize conflicting texts. But what I just described above resolves all of this dilemma in one swipe.

The above interpretation still falls within the category of "Pre-Millennialism". It is a Premillennial belief--yet quite different, not Post-Millennial.

God bless.

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Of the four regions that emerged from Alexander’s empire, Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt, only Syria was within the territorial boundaries of all six kingdoms. The six kingdoms were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Compare area maps of each kingdom. A map of the Egyptian conquest of Syria might be difficult to find; I do remember reading in the OT about an Egyptian king conquering that area.

A revision of the Roman Empire will occur when the ten toes of Daniel’s statue form an economic union and become the ten horns on the sixth head of the dragon.

When the little horn or Antichrist subdues three of the ten horns the seventh head of the dragon will appear with 3 horns on its head to form the 7th kingdom. His conquest of the 3 horns creates the revived Assyrian Empire that once was, and now is not and is to come.

A revision of the 7th kingdom or 7th head will occur when the ten horns give their “power and authority” to the Antichrist (Rev 17:12-14). The ten horns now on the 7th head of the beast is the final and eighth kingdom that makes war against the Lamb.

I think the 6 kingdoms you list are correct.

In regards to your other comments. The Antichrist is the 8th king....not the 7th.
 
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the reign for the 1000 years is on earth, not in heaven.
Zec14 show Christ on earth, setting up His Kingdom.
Rev5/20 show that we shall reign on earth

He's Coming here, and staying here.

Zechariah 14 is an event that John the Revelator reallocates to the end of the millennium when the New Jerusalem, that Beloved City, comes down out of heaven. Zechariah 14 is not the Second Coming, but a Third Coming back with the saints--to establish the earthly reign. Zechariah 14 was described in Old Testament format--in other words, a "local typological" setting. John, however, lifts Zechariah 14 out of it's Old Testament local settings and redefines it Antitypically in Revelation 20. It has not been redefined in it's "global antitypical" setting--fulfilling the prophecy.

Remember, antitypes are never identical to types. They are similar, and fulfill the type, but never transpire in the way the type was laid out. Just like the slaying of the lamb. Christ was never sacrificed on an alter in the court of the sanctuary, he was crucified. Yet it still fulfilled the type---antitypically.
 
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I think the 6 kingdoms you list are correct.

In regards to your other comments. The Antichrist is the 8th king....not the 7th.

I get your point. When the Antichrist is given power and authority for 42 months in the second half a Daniel's 70th week he becomes the 8th king on the 7th head of the dragon. So the seventh king or kingdom has to come before he reigns and one of the heads has to control two kings or kingdoms. I'll work on it.
 
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I get your point. When the Antichrist is given power and authority for 42 months in the second half a Daniel's 70th week he becomes the 8th king on the 7th head of the dragon. So the seventh king or kingdom has to come before he reigns and one of the heads has to control two kings or kingdoms. I'll work on it.

Something for you to think about.

What if the 7th king makes an image of the eighth king in the midst of the week? .............The eighth king who was and is not and will come again.
 
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Better be careful should perhaps you be saying "amen" to a false doctrine.

Scriptures teach that there will be no human beings on the earth after Christ comes the Second Time:

Concerning the Old Testament typology of ancient Jerusalem and ancient Babylon, the prophet Jeremiah looked beyond the local calamaties befalling his beloved city, and saw in greater detail what would occur on a global, apocalyptic scale after Christ's Second Coming:

Jeremiah 4:23-28 - "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it."
 
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