Does the fact that we now know EXACTLY what causes a rainbow lessen the power and importance of God's promise to Noah?
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The Rainbow question
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kimber1
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not to me it doesn't. but then when i see a rainbow i don't think about any kind of scientific explanations; i see a symbol of hope and love in God's promise. but that's just me! 
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I think I figured out how rainbows worked when I was two or three years old. Granted I had inspiration from a book I read on prisms, but still, easy enough.
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no... well I confess I didn't do any of the maths for it, but I figured out that it was the prism action and rain.
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No, what I meant was that the reference to evolution was stealing the punch line of the thread, which I would post up after more had agreed with those who have posted so far.
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but I should have seen what you were getting at too so I missed something really.
so I missed something really.
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Jet Black said:but I should have seen what you were getting at too
Hey guys, YAWN, pre-packaged points now?
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Jet Black said:
Let me see if i can describe your point (as i see it).
1. God makes physical universe, to include light spectrum and
2. God creates the dynamics of a prism.
3. God creates Water and sky (Not sure if you believe this)
4. The rainbow just happens. God did not have to create the rainbow.
am i close? Y/N
Am i making your point FOR you? briefly.
Can i use reason? God didn't make your car. Did your car evolve or was it designed?
God Designed the rainbow indirectly, by designing the components that allow it to take place.
Also, i think the point of the story about the rainbow covenant (as i see it) was that it was the FIRST rainbow ever witnessed by man. Also that it was the first time it had ever rained on earth. We are talking about a major change in the earth's atmosphere. What it would have been like before the flood is open to speculation, but there are theories available if anyone is interested.
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I could develop their point and apply it to the way evolution and a creator can co-exist. Is that where we're going?
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Actually Mike is heading somewhat in the right direction.
The point is that God created the natural world and all its processes, but that, in itself, is a miracle. The fact that we are beginning to understand exactly HOW God might have created life on this Earth is the same as learning how rainbows actually happen. Scientific explanation of God's handiwork is not an attack on God, it is simply our grasping out to understand His greatness.
The fact that many see in evolution an alternative to God's creative force is besides the point, they are simply wrong. It is the same as if a person said that the Biblical story of Noah and the rainbow was proved false by the scientific explanation of the refraction that creates the rainbow.
Atheists *do* use evolution to attempt to disprove the the existence of God. Too many Creationists simply aid them in their endeavors by agreeing with them that if you believe in evolution, you are denying God's role in the process. Believe me, atheists are very satisfied that Creationists have bought into this lie.
We know how the rainbow is made, but we know that God created the process. We know how photosynthesis works, but we know that it is all God's work. We understand how we, ourselves, reproduce, but we know that God created this reproductive process. We know that God could have waved his hand and brought each of us individually into existence miraculously in our perfect time. Yet, he chose to allow a natural process of sexual reproduction, a process created by Him, for this creative effort. Why is it so abhorrent that He used a natural process from the beginning?
Scientific knowledge can only help us understand God's Creation more fully, it can never destroy Faith.
UNLESS, of course, you accept the atheistic line of thought.
The point is that God created the natural world and all its processes, but that, in itself, is a miracle. The fact that we are beginning to understand exactly HOW God might have created life on this Earth is the same as learning how rainbows actually happen. Scientific explanation of God's handiwork is not an attack on God, it is simply our grasping out to understand His greatness.
The fact that many see in evolution an alternative to God's creative force is besides the point, they are simply wrong. It is the same as if a person said that the Biblical story of Noah and the rainbow was proved false by the scientific explanation of the refraction that creates the rainbow.
Atheists *do* use evolution to attempt to disprove the the existence of God. Too many Creationists simply aid them in their endeavors by agreeing with them that if you believe in evolution, you are denying God's role in the process. Believe me, atheists are very satisfied that Creationists have bought into this lie.
We know how the rainbow is made, but we know that God created the process. We know how photosynthesis works, but we know that it is all God's work. We understand how we, ourselves, reproduce, but we know that God created this reproductive process. We know that God could have waved his hand and brought each of us individually into existence miraculously in our perfect time. Yet, he chose to allow a natural process of sexual reproduction, a process created by Him, for this creative effort. Why is it so abhorrent that He used a natural process from the beginning?
Scientific knowledge can only help us understand God's Creation more fully, it can never destroy Faith.
UNLESS, of course, you accept the atheistic line of thought.
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What are you people talking about? The rainbow is the bow that God uses to shoot lightning bolts at those who seriously displease Him. He puts down His bow at the end of a storm because He's not mad anymore.
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