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do you not see your error. you said All born, that is true, it does not say all conceived they have to reach birth.
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do you not see your error. you said All born, that is true, it does not say all conceived they have to reach birth.Sure there is. The Bible refers to all born as "begat" is the beginning. Meaning fathered. The father has a unique role in that it is a one time deal.
Yes the body without the soul/spirit is what is called dead. So your argument is we are all dead up to some point in gestation? When is that and where is the Scriptural or even scientific support for that. Which means you are arguing we are not human at conception. What are we?
The Bible is all about a fallen world from Genesis chapter 3. God gave commands within this fallen world that we are not to kill innocent life.you assume ideal conditions, you do not assume a fallen sinful world.
Absolutely not. The logic is supported by God's command for us to love Him and love others.Your logic only works if everything is perfect and there is no sin.
So it's ok to kill an innocent life because they 'may' face a fallen world and the evils of that world? Why not just kill all children then?but there may be conditions in which a person might have to kill an innocent child. for example, a slave women murder her children in order to save them from being raped,violated, exploited and abused.
So the solution to rape is to make another victim by killing the child who did nothing warranting death?the child was conceived in rape and the only life for that child was abuse and misery and cruelty. under your logic it would be evil for her to do that, not evil for the child to be abused.
No you missed it. Begat, the fathering is the beginning. In modern science that would be conception when the little fellas travel up to the egg and we have fertilization.do you not see your error. you said All born, that is true, it does not say all conceived they have to reach birth.
When is this?we are not alive until ALL 3 parts are present. We are not alive when any 1 of the 3 are missing. It is the formation and preparation of the body phase. formation begin at conception, not life.
So basically you are saying since we can't figure out when a soul enters the body,
not at conception, 26 weeks it is a person according to Luke 1. if you place Matt 1 and Joseph appering to Gaberial after Mary comes back from visiting Elezebath, then you get 12 to 16 weeks and it does not refer it it as a person yet. Sometime between 12 and 26 weeks.When is this?
no you said birth, is when the baby comes out of the womb. If you ment conception you should have said so. that is reasoning from an assumption.No you missed it. Begat, the fathering is the beginning. In modern science that would be conception when the little fellas travel up to the egg and we have fertilization.
you are simply ignoring reality.you are right, we are to love people, but you are wrong because YOU ARE NOT LOVING THESE PEOPLE. you are saying it is loving to bring a child who is unloved and unwanted in the world so they can be rejected and abused over and over and over again. that is evil, it is not loving at all. that is the problem with you syllogism you assume love that is not present and ignore when love is not there.Absolutely not. The logic is supported by God's command for us to love Him and love others.
So the solution to rape is to make another victim by killing the child who did nothing warranting death? YOUR SOLUTION WOULD CREATIVE A VICTIM BY LETTING THEM BE ALIVE.
You have not provided evidence we are separate the three parts at any given time other than death. Actually what you describe is death.we are not alive until ALL 3 parts are present.
Meaning we are dead. That’s how the Bible defines death.We are not alive when any 1 of the 3 are missing.
That would mean we are dead at conception.It is the formation and preparation of the body phase. formation begin at conception, not life.
Scripture says no such thing.No, scripture tells us that life does not begin at conception, consider Luke's account of meeting John the Baptist in Luke, The angle came to Mary and said your cousin is 6 months pregnant(26 weeks) then marry rushed to see her. assume packing and travel time. 2-4 weeks. the latest you get is 30 weeks. now look at what is said of John the Baptist and Jesus vs 41, 44, it refers to JTB as a baby, the baby lept in my womb, clearly a person in the present tense. Now look at what it says about Jesus. it refers to the child that will be born, future tense, not present tense, at 2-4 weeks.
Luke 1 makes no such statement nor suggestion.not at conception, 26 weeks it is a person according to Luke 1. if you place Matt 1 and Joseph appering to Gaberial after Mary comes back from visiting Elezebath, then you get 12 to 16 weeks and it does not refer it it as a person yet. Sometime between 12 and 26 weeks.
What evidence do you have of when this happens?Body, spirit, soul, when do you have all three? Where ever that occurs you have a person.
Then you should be able to address it. Please do so. Redleghunter awaits.Obviously, as before, Premise #2 is the one most in contention. It's not that "abortion advocates" (whatever those are) refuse to answer--it's that redleghunter refuses to accept it.
Euthanasia is the intentional taking of innocent human life.Even so, I can think of rare cases where even Premise #1 does not necessarily hold, either. Namely, euthanasia and triage. If you pull the plug on your family member in a vegetative state, you are intentionally taking an innocent life. And of course they're innocent--after all, how can they sin or make any decisions? They are in a vegetative state.
No with triage you are attempting to save as many lives as possible. Not intentionally kill them. Why do people continue to use this flawed logic.Now, with triage, say you are an ER doctor and a natural disaster strikes. The victims are innocent. But you, the ER doctor, cannot save them all, and must decide who lives and who dies. You might make mistakes, but you didn't do anything wrong, because the dilemma you face is either: kill person A, or kill person B, C, and D. So you choose to kill A--an innocent person.
I can’t tell what point you were making in the last post other than not addressing the statements.you are simply ignoring reality.
Observed science refutes this.You still don't have life at conception.
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