The Queen Of Heaven Is A Devil!

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But from the book of Revelations, it is clear, those elders weren't praying for any saint on earth. Rather, the scripture says they were bowing down and worshiping God together with the beasts. The prayers of the saints mentioned was for the saints on earth-ascending to heaven. According to the scriptures, it is only Jesus, who is the mediator that intercedes for the saints. Then on earth, it is the Holy Spirit, that intercedes for the believer, through the believer.
 
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Prayers are spoken and there is power in even idle words ..At the End Time Prayers of all the martyred Saints and incence are mixed and rise up into God's nostrils as His great anger is stirred , then there is a period of 1/2 hour of complete silence in Heaven , God's vengeance on the enemies of God are fixing to get what all have been waiting for , Jesus second coming .. Praise God .. Many OT Saints were resurrected at Jesus resurrection and seen walking the streets of Jerusalem ..
 
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Jesus Tomb at or near Golgotha ..

Didn't the current Pope Pious Xll at the time even reluctantly agree they had found Apostle Peters grave in Israel ?
 
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Wasn't that an ancient sacred place in Rome where St Peter is supposedly buried where a convicted & crucified Jewish Christian would never be allowed to be buried ?
 
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Don't know how to add it, never tried, but might be easier if I could draw a picture. And yes, of course those prayers are for the saints on earth - that was my point. It shows Saints (in Heaven) offering the prayers of saints on earth up to God. Again one has to read both Chap 5 and 8. And no, we are not talking about mediation in the sense Christ is our mediator, we are talking about someone else praying for another - in this case a Saint in Heaven praying (offering up) a prayer request on behalf of a saint on earth.

Not asking anyone to accept this view of these verses in Saint John's vision, but it goes something like this;
5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Whether one thinks this occurs in future or not is irrelevant, the elders are people in Heaven - which means they have already died and the action depicted is occurring BEFORE any resurrection or Judgement. "EVERY ONE" [of the 24] has a vial full of prayers, not their own prayers but the "prayers of saints". In Chapter 8 the same folks and prayers are shown being offered up to God - which BTW and my point again offering those prayers up is the proper thing to do with any prayer request. Also without accepting this teaching and taking advantage of our having an extended family/chain of prayer warriors in Heaven (and powerful ones at that) one is left to ponder why these prayers are shown in the possesion of dead people (the allegedly sleeping dead people) and why those prayers also apparently require "offering" up.

Now whether or not one believes the teaching that those already in Heaven with Our Lord (like He told the thief on the cross) can receive requests and offer up those prayers very much like we do in this life - my point was still that these people are definitely not sleeping.
 
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Well, si

Well, sir, I believe this particular sermon of warning, is not for everyone. Of course, God gave everyone of us will, so we're not forced to do anything. God says, his Spirit will never strive with the spirit of man anymore. Since you do not agree with me, it is ok. The people that this message is meant for, has been touched and transformed. I'm so sanguine about that fact.
 
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Yes , demons come disguised as Angels of Light , When someone is fallen victim they are bewitched and can not tell the difference .. Sometimes a person treats his beliefs like their favorite ball team and defend it and make excuses whether right or wrong = misguided zeal .. And some because it just feels right .. It must add up in scripture and backed up by scripture ..

.. How God preserved His Word is fine by me , just as long as no one bellies up to the trough to claim it as their own .. It is all glory to God and the Lord Jesus who I thank and owe for it ..
 
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Good points , I'm going to look again it's been a while .. The thief was with God in a place called paradise that day proving God and Jesus are the same , Jesus went to hell meanwhile for 3 days our sins .. When Jesus was proclaimed innocent and blameless He resurrected and the thief IMO was one if not the last from the OT era resurrected from the grave ..

Again thanx , I value the learning of all folks offer here .. Peace ..
 
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Timewerx , I love you but you are responsible for what you believe .. Are you kidding , Ever heard of John the Baptist , the greatest ever born of women ? He lived alone in the desert eating locust and wild honey wearing garmets of hair then beheaded as a a joke .. With your intellect you should be believing all God's Word instead of fitting in parts and pieces with your junk ..
ice cream + ice cream = ice cream
ice cream + crap = crap
 
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Yeah I never got that comment as indicating the thief would soon be enjoying a nice long nap.

And at the second coming of Jesus we will be caught up with Him in the air , right behind the dead in Christ who are resurrected out of their graves .. At the twinkling of an eye ..
Hard for me to comprehend it all , But I have no doubt ..
 
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Previously, you think I am living in squalor because of my false beliefs.

Now you quote John the Baptist to cover your mistake in judgement instead of apologizing for your mistake.

And then you say you love me but you call my beliefs as junk.

And how can you say I'm intellectual enough and yet you say I believe in junk? If I believe in junk that would make me a fool wouldn't it??

I don't think you're being honest here.
 
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If you are a born again believer , how do you speak evil of the Apostle Paul ? If you are not then your burdens are yours alone to bear .. I'm not rich at all and not too educated , but I am blessed and I know where it comes from and thankful .. Learn to love the Word and apply it , Jesus said we will always have the poor with us .. Prayer works and My people perish for lack of knowledge .. But some folks insist on remaining willfully ignorant .. I've had to live in roach infested nasty poor places and broke but made them livable with a little work .. OK , been there done that and know it could happen again .. My renewed mind will not let me dwell on the negative and I keep a vision alive and ahead in my life .. The fool says there is no God and God says there are no other Gods but He .. There are miracles and revival going on now in the poorest of countries , why not yours ?
I've been jobless , down and out but received jobs just in time , once during desperate prayer the phone rang and I got a great 5 year job where I had never applied or even heard of the company
.. Jesus is worthy ..
 
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I've been jobless , down and out but received jobs just in time , once during desperate prayer the phone rang and I got a great 5 year job where I had never applied or even heard of the company
.. Jesus is worthy ..

I did the same thing as you did a few years back... ...And I believed in exactly the same thing as you did that time.

I have successful (in worldly terms, but in a good way) Christian relatives who gave me advice to have faith and give up whatever bad thing I was doing, pray hard, read the whole bible, etc.

I did everything they asked with pure intentions. My wanting to have the same life as my successful Christian relatives is that I could get my parents to stop working and take life easy by helping them with a much bigger income. Their pension is barely enough due to corrupt government.

I sought after God real hard that time as well... But things got awfully worse for me. I lost my job, my friend in Europe who is a scientist got some corporate funding, got me a job there in scientific research and development in alternative energy because I'm also an inventor in this field which I've always done as a hobby in my free time, not as work. But before we could start processing of my papers, the project bombed out due to the European Financial Crisis, the funding was cancelled and my friend there nearly went broke.

I went like that for a couple of months, then a year while seeking for answers from the Bible. I never lost faith. But my intensive studies of the Bible would eventually lead me to see flaws in it after 20 years of upholding a belief it doesn't contain errors.

I did not single out Apostle Paul, I keep holding on to the belief there's nothing wrong with the Bible. But there's just so many teachings in the Bible that is grossly unreliable - doesn't happen according to the expected result(s) written in it. It does happen but rarely and unbelievers have the same amount of luck. Many teachings had serious loopholes too which is favorable to corrupt leaders (leading to the possibly of corruption by the authorities at the time of its making). However, there are also many teachings in the Bible which nearly attained 100% consistency. The expected result did happen and happened every time. That part of the Bible is telling the truth... As for the others I don't know, why would it say one thing but rarely happens and even favored evil people. Are those teachings lies?

I'm not here to make anyone believe in what I believe. I'd like to make that clear to you.
 
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Well all I can tell you is when I was an atheist a guy come to my house and prayed for me , I was indignant in my mind to him at the time .. About 5 months later I was running 5 miles a day and I began thinking about God and Christians more every day as I ran .. I began to feel the Truth of God then it suddenly dawned on me that Jesus must be who He says He is .. At that moment I knew the Truth and that I could not live a lie and believed and was changed .. I chose to believe every thing from the first letter to the last of the Bible and aligned my mind with it .. My advice to all is to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all things will be added to you ..
I love Jesus and all He stands for , I love His righteousness and every thing He taught .. And most I believe He surely is the Christ of God and my Lord .. When you get sick and tired of being sick and tired , latch on to every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and don't turn loose .. And make sure your motif for seeking God is pure ,not for gain , that comes automatic according to Jesus plan for you after a while .. Prepare good ground in your heart to receive the seed of the Word .. Jesus and all the angels in Heaven can't wait to get there hands on you to love and care for you ..Peace.. Prayers sent .. Every Christian gets tested and tried . God allows the bad times to check our faith , not for His sake but ours , I've been tested and failed miserably , then you learn the hits keep coming but learn God is in the fight for you .. Let God arise and His enemies be scattered ..
 
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Wasn't that an ancient sacred place in Rome where St Peter is supposedly buried where a convicted & crucified Jewish Christian would never be allowed to be buried ?

Peter being executed did not have much choice in the matter AFAIK.
 
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And at the second coming of Jesus we will be caught up with Him in the air , right behind the dead in Christ who are resurrected out of their graves .. At the twinkling of an eye ..
Hard for me to comprehend it all , But I have no doubt ..

I hope you dont believe in the Rapture; this was not the product of Sola Scriptura but rather was based on a vision of John Nelson Darby, a leader of the exclusive sect of the Plymouth Brethren. Historically in Apostolic times the commentaries we have suggest a more mystical, less literal interpretation of this, which remained de rigeur until the mid 19th century.
 
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amen.
 
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