The Problem of Punk

[Qyöt27]

I tend to be like a musical encyclopedia for most people I know . I like reading about the histories of musical genres. It gets out of hand sometimes, and I spend a few hours just reading about different band histories and whatnot. And of course, for the styles I happen to like I've tried to find as much info about the way they formed and progressed as possible. Like I said in my other post, I can ramble on for hours about it. Especially the different types of post-punk. There are so many styles and substyles in that genre that it would probably take a few hours to list them all, given say, a few seconds per entry. I don't even know them all, I doubt anyone does. I do like how the current musical situation is sort of repeating the late 70s though. Now that the mainstream pop-punk is growing a bit old, there are actually some post-punk revivalist bands that are coming out. Interpol, Hot Hot Heat, bands like that. Even Blink-182 is heading into a post-punk phase, what with them collaborating with Robert Smith from The Cure.

I'm not sure if they broadcast their old-school alternative program with their internet feed, but one of the radio stations in my area has such a show and has the playlists for each program from the past three years on their website. It's on Sunday nights at 8:00, Eastern time. Lots of different types of 70s and 80s punk, electronic, and general alternative here: www.97xonline.com/sundayschool/playlists.html. They even had an entire weekend where they only played old-school alternative music. It did well enough they repeated it one or two more times.

But that's getting off-topic. Sorry

 

[Dyrwen]

Interesting nonetheless. This topic in general was a mediocre flame at the first post, so at least something is to be gained of the knowledge within further posts. Suppose we've all got a weird historical knowledge in some catagory, you just happen to know quite a bit about music. heh..Which is apparently useful though.

As far as genres go, I don't try to stress over the many many types so much nowadays. Punkradiocast.com has me set up on my old and new punk music 24/7 online.. but always good to keep a good outlet of resources on trends in the punk industry if one is to understand punk at all.

I'm somehow taking a shot in the dark that the original thread maker is not a big punk fan and more than likely is just not as knowledgable of the many facets of punk types out there. When seeking answers, capture every angle, so as not to pass over a missed point that may render your points obsolete..er, whoa. Talk about rambling on..hehe. So easy to do sometimes.

 

[blackwasp]

With each war to end all wars, we only start new conflicts. Might as well throw Godwin's law into effect and state: Hitler killed many people to better the world and stop conflicts by creating a perfect society, too, and it seems the US eventually saw he was cutting in on our action and had to stop him before he conquered too much land and capital. Punk as the idea did exist during the 40's and there were plenty of anarchists not fighting for the "Great Wars" that gladly went to prison for their beliefs. The complete destruction of free expression and opinion that dissents your own is draconian at best.

If this is how you honestly feel about war, I will have to decline from replying to the rest of your post. I will have to kindly disagree.

 

[DMBfanLongliveStrongBad!]

i agree with the original quote.

bush rocks.

 

[Dyrwen]

If this is how you honestly feel about war, I will have to decline from replying to the rest of your post. I will have to kindly disagree.

Very well then.

 

[oldrooster]

I love Social Distortion, I do not let politics get in my way if I like the music.

 

[BushHasGotToGo]

See, here's what gets me: You people are always talking about the "Left" taking away rights until we have none left.

Yet isn't suggesting anybody who disagrees with "America" (eg Your own view of what the country is supposed to be---and yes it is YOURS and YOURS ALONE) should be forced to 'shut up and leave' the very essence of denying rights? Isn't it the Right Wing who is constantly a threat to Free Speech? We're so concerned over Stern's 'decency', yet where is the demand for decency from Rush Limbaugh to practice what he preaches, or from Jim Bakker. When you listen to Howard Stern, you at least know what is going to presented to you: Beautifully, you have the option to tune out. Who would've guessed by the Holier Than Thou and haughty persona portrayed by those celebrities that Limbaugh was a pill popper, or that Jim Bakker was going to be caught with a 'lady of the evening'? And even if Limbaugh made an honest mistake, then is it too much to ask he be honest about it? That was YOUR people's problem with Clinton, wasn't it?

But I digress.

You'd just like everybody who disagrees with you shipped out and never let back. My, very American of you. Free Speech would just ring free and true were you president, wouldn't it? Why stop there?

Let's get rid of the gays. They're deviants, after all, not compatible with your own Biblical view of the world. Nobody will have a problem with that---who's going to stick up for them?

And then those who practice different faiths. Atheists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims... oh, especially those kooky Muslims. Finally, a nice, Christian America. There, not bad, but..

As long as we're getting rid of people you don't like, let's get rid of those Liberal Christians who buy into that "judge lest ye be judged" crud. It's ridiculous! To think, they might get in the way of your absolute truth! The Gospel According to Eulychus! Forget the theologians and philosophers who have argued on it for years: She KNOWS the Bible in and out and her word is LAW! Remove those who disagree! No one shall question her! For yay, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no evil, for Eulychus art with me!"

There, a Conservative Christian America without a single dissenting opinion. I'm sure that's EXACTLY what the forefathers had in mind.

But to ship all these people off to other countries to shut 'em up... So expensive, isn't it? Maybe if we just find some place in the country to keep them? Like a camp, or something? That's it. Camps for all who do not live the life according to your Divine Principles.

Because it worked out SO well the last time somebody tried to get rid of everyone who disagreed with them, didn't it?


So that rant was a bit extreme perhaps; but you people, so convinced of your own superiority that anyone who disagrees is an idiot that needs to be quickly removed... Well, it sounds equally as ridiculous to us. Honestly, get help for whatever various complexes you have and lighten up, and remember:

This is America. We all have the RIGHT to our opinion, whether or not it disagrees with yours.

 

[nadroj1985]

But I digress.

This statement sums up your essay quite nicely Quite a few different issues there. I definitely agree with this, though....

This is America. We all have the RIGHT to our opinion, whether or not it disagrees with yours.

Yep; hopefully everyone can come to learn this. Welcome to CF btw, hope you have fun