The Problem of Evil

[JAL]

The evil of thinking Yahuweh ever changes is beyond cleaning up.

Perhaps it can be repented of, but it is not useful.

His holiness doesn't CURRENTLY change, it is currently irreversible for reasons explained.

But the notion that God was quite mutable in the past is actually very useful. For example it resolves a number of contradictions including the way that traditional doctrine has (inadvertently) been insulting God for 2,000 years.

 

[JAL]

And how does allowing his companions the free will to disobey, reject him, cause destruction, hatred, and war, supposed to make make things easier for him?

Which would be more likely to satisfy your loneliness?
(1) A girlfriend with free will
(2) A robot

 

[Ken-1122]

Love cannot happen without freedom to choose and act (aka 'free will' or just 'freedom' and 'agency').

Will free will to choose and act be allowed in Heaven? If so, what happens when some of those who get to heaven eventually use their free will to reject God the way Satan and so many of the Angles did?

 

[JAL]

Are you yourself "comfortable" with the false gospel or false teachings or false ideas being presented in this thread ? (the ones as if Yahuweh Almighty Creator ever changes)

I'm going to have a good laugh about these kinds of comments in the next life - not the comments themselves but the self-assured manner of delivery, because you'll feel really silly about your erroneous conclusions.

So in your view:
(1) God is immutable.
(2) But became man.
Right? That's what you want me to believe?

 

[Ken-1122]

Which would be more likely to satisfy your loneliness?
(1) A girlfriend with free will
(2) A robot

A girlfriend with free will is my equal. If she rejects me I will not send her to Hell in any way nor will I punish her with torture for rejecting me.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is quite useful to have Yahuweh "change" in order to present some false teachings for whatever reason they are presented,
but
there is no truth in that at all. It is totally deceptive.

 

[JAL]

Will free will to choose and act be allowed in Heaven? If so, what happens when some of those who get to heaven eventually use their free will to reject God the way Satan and so many of the Angles did?

I already addressed that. God will make all our desires holy in heaven - we too will receive full protection from the Immune System.

 

[JAL]

A girlfriend with free will is my equal. If she rejects me I will not send her to Hell in any way nor will I punish her with torture for rejecting me.

That was not the original question that you just posed to me a moment ago. You've now switched to the topic of justice.

Hell is described in Scripture as a prison. Yes, you would send your girlfriend to prison if you were a judge and perceived her crimes as so warranting. And a prison IS a place of torment.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My belief is that God created within Himself an Immune System of sorts that He cannot shut down, to guarantee His everlasting holiness and our eternal safety. Let's see how it works.

Totally violating all Scripture. No truth at all.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"At the outset, His free will was unlimited. However, His desires are now holy, by His own design. He labored at least 13 billion years to maximize His zeal for holiness. At this point He is incapable of unjust or unkind behavior."

Bogus.
Do not listen to this false teachings.
it is entirely contrary to God's Word, Purpose and Plan.

 

[Ken-1122]

I already addressed that. God will make all our desires holy in heaven - we too will receive full protection from the Immune System.

Why doesn't God make all of our desires holy NOW? Why hasn't he given us the full protection already?

 

[JAL]

It is quite useful to have Yahuweh "change" in order to present some false teachings for whatever reason they are presented,
but
there is no truth in that at all. It is totally deceptive.

Are you infallible? Are you some kind of pope? Calling a doctrine false does not make it so.

Funny how Protestants claim to reject the doctrine of papal infallibility and yet, all the while, insinuate their own infallibility. Virtually every Protestant I've met sees himself as infallible on all major issues of doctrine. See my signature for a different perspective.

 

[JAL]

Why doesn't God make all of our desires holy NOW? Why hasn't he given us the full protection already?

I've answered that twice already. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

 

[JAL]

Totally violating all Scripture. No truth at all.

This would be an understandable reaction - if you could formulate a system free of logical contradictions. Theologians have failed in that effort for 2,000 years.

Pardon me for preferring logical consistency.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why doesn't God make all of our desires holy NOW? Why hasn't he given us the full protection already?

Yahuweh told the Israelites : You must be holy (set apart) because I the Lord your God am holy (set apart). And it was already possible.
Jesus told the disciples : You must be perfect (not the definition of English though) , as your Father in heaven is perfect. This already is possible also, as written.

The false teachings now and in the past being promoted as if Yahuweh could change are very seriously in error and have been apparently worked on and polished off (refined in error to look good, as if it could) for a long long time.

 

[Ken-1122]

That was not the original question that you just posed to me a moment ago. You've now switched to the topic of justice.

I asked you a simple question. Instead of answering my question, you asked ME a question about a girlfriend and a robot. I responded to your question. I didn't change the subject, you did.

Hell is described in Scripture as a prison. Yes, you would send your girlfriend to prison if you were a judge and perceived her crimes as so warranting. And a prison IS a place of torment.

If I were the type of person to send my girlfriend to prison for rejecting me, I would rather have the robot.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This would be an understandable reaction - if you could formulate a system free of logical contradictions. Theologians have failed in that effort for 2,000 years.

Pardon me for preferring logical consistency.

No pardon, no, as it seems you like posting errors for years.
Are you trained as a Jesuit ?

 

[Ken-1122]

I've answered that twice already. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

No you didn't I never asked a question concerning this full protection you speak of, I asked a question about free will.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I asked you a simple question. Instead of answering my question, you asked ME a question about a girlfriend and a robot. I responded to your question. I didn't change the subject, you did.

The errors are long standing (looking at the history), cold and calculated it seems , and also apparently, seemingly, not at all seeking the truth.

 

[JAL]

It is quite useful to have Yahuweh "change" in order to present some false teachings for whatever reason they are presented,
but
there is no truth in that at all. It is totally deceptive.

You object to the idea that Yahweh can change. But you claim that He changed into a man.

So whenever YOU claim change, its find and dandy, but whenever I claim change, I must be in the wrong?