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To any non-atheist activist who really want a biblical explanation as to why there is evil in the world:
First, God gave us free will. Without free will, we will be only programmed to do right. If God did not give man free will, there would be no meaningful relationship between God and Man. It would be like a doll where you pull the string and the doll says "I love you". It is empty and meaningless as compared to someone who freely made the decision to love God.
Second, God could intervene to stop all evil. However, that would require God to intervene to prevent us from doing something we want to do.
Third, God could remove anyone who chooses to do wrong. If God were to do this, there would be nobody left.
Rather, God created a "real" world where our decision has real consequences that affect other people. God is concerned about the the evil that is in this world because he created laws in order to discourage and punish people for their evil actions. He punished and destroyed nations who set aside justice to allow evil to prosper. Evil happens in this world because we choose to sin. God allows us to choose to sin because that freedom to choose is precious and essential to having a meaningful relationship with Him.
You have some catching up to do:
Observed Instances of Speciation
More Observed speciation
Watching Speciation Occur
Ha ha, are you serious? I took the scientists at their own words.
It wasn't even a creationist source, what in the world are you going on about?
And thank you for admitting that you are unwilling to hear the other side of the argument. Real open-minded and honest of you. Stay in your little self-imposed box then. I will continue to research the entire argument from both sides.
Excuse me? If someone wants to present "evidence" and yet is too afraid to source it, that is a concern and far from honest.
This other "evidence" has also fallen short on many occasions.
No, you certainly are not. I am quite aware of the resources thank you. I will continue to research. Unlike you however, I will look at BOTH sides of the issue, not just the Darwinian evolution side.
Your mockery and condescension are seriously undermining your credibility.
Did he say/write those words or didn't he? Oh, and it's pretty disingenuous of you to play the "quote mining" card now. You've done your fair share of the same by that definition.
Keep waiting then. I've answered you multiple times, but I'm not going to simply tell you what you want to hear. Good luck with that.
Explain to me why it's happened then? Do you not think people with that much at stake will sometimes resort to anything when they see their research, and therefore their reputation, falling apart? People can do crazy and illogical things when they're desperate.
You asked me (and others) the same questions over and over. I refuse to continue playing such games.
Yeah....I've never read a book. You are really making the most nonsensical accusations.
However, what I WILL do is move on to more useful things. Thank you for demonstrating and openly admitting the close-mindedness that many scientists and those who agree with them have.
You have openly and honestly stated that you are completely uninterested in hearing from creationists. Perhaps their arguments are threatening to you and your thoughts about evolution. Regardless, such a closed off and narrow focus demonstrates serious problems. You are obviously not willing to consider any views that conflict with your own. Fair enough.
I have learned even more about the kind of absolute faith many put in Darwinian evolution and the fossil record. It's absurd as far as I'm concerned, but it is each person's choice.
As I explained to you earlier. They are not here to have discussions. They want to debate. They will continue to argue and distract with strawman arguments in order to continue arguing. They are only on a Christian forum in order to argue against Christianity because they hope to destroy religion....period. They are not looking for answers so this is the only logical explanation as to why they are here. I would recommend putting these atheist activists on your ignore list and kick the dust off your sandals.
Who told you that? There certainly is dishonesty that needs to be recognized in mainstream science; by all means go after it. Just try not to confuse predictions with evidence.Really? There is no dishonesty that needs to be recognized and addressed in mainstream science? Interesting.
No, I didn't miss it. However, I can give you many other quotes that question what he's claiming.
My question remains, are scientists manufacturing their own evidence to fill the substantial gaps in the fossil record?
Where are the actual fossils?
There should be thousands of them.
And yet, even with all those billions of years, adequate fossil evidence to support Darwinian evolution has not been found, to this day.
(It's also worth noting that Darwin himself saw major problems with this)
I am not "anti-science", I am anti-fraudulent science.
I "dismissed" their "findings" because they are not findings at all, they are speculation based on fragmentary evidence.
Scientists have admitted the severe problems with the fossil record themselves. Would you like me to share some statements many scientists have made?
ONE picture is hardly conclusive.
That's a caricature of Christian theology, one that treats the sin and brokenness in the world dismissively.
This conversation is off topic.Where did you demonstrate this? These hominid fossils don't look fragmentary to me, and they form a continuous temporal sequence as Gould already described.
As they apply to the hominid fossil record? Let's see them. Also, supply a link to the entire article so that we can check for context.
The point being that no amount of fossils will ever convince you. You stick your head in the sand, and hope that the evidence goes away.
Is it, though?
What happens to someone who does not accept the gift?
As I explained to you earlier. They are not here to have discussions. They want to debate. They will continue to argue and distract with strawman arguments in order to continue arguing. They are only on a Christian forum in order to argue against Christianity because they hope to destroy religion....period. They are not looking for answers so this is the only logical explanation as to why they are here. I would recommend putting these atheist activists on your ignore list and kick the dust off your sandals.
This is His hidden gift - the gift of oblivion rather than the torture of eternal bliss with no reprieveThey perish.
To perish does not imply being tormented forever, it implies death or lack of life. God is life, so if you do not accept life given through Christ Jesus, then you will perish. It's pretty simple, God won't force you against your will to live forever in bliss, free from all evil, this is a gift that He offers through His Son.
No gnashing of teeth? Good then!They perish.
To perish does not imply being tormented forever, it implies death or lack of life. God is life, so if you do not accept life given through Christ Jesus, then you will perish. It's pretty simple, God won't force you against your will to live forever in bliss, free from all evil, this is a gift that He offers through His Son.
It has never, not ONCE been observed or evidenced. Surely after billions of years, which is how old this earth is according to many scientists, such a transition would have been observed? So where is the evidence and why has it not even been observed in scientific experimentation?
Evolution from one species to another simply does not occur.
Please keep commenting!
Such horrendous scientific ignorance should help those who are wavering in their beliefs, to land in the side of rationality and reason!
For Petes sake woman, do an Internet search on 'evidence for speciation' before you embarrass yourself further!
FYI, there is a "Christians Only" section for creationism on CF. You might find it to be a little more agreeable?
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