The problem of evil

Hikarifuru · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
I guess we are all psychopaths then. That definition includes every single person who has ever lived at one point or another.

No we aren't all psychopaths... you wouldn't hurt people just because god said I wouldn't either. Neither of us would think something is right just because someone said so. I'm just saying that who god is not relevant.

amariselle said:
Resorting to insults and derogatory labeling again. Classy.

Saying that argument is psychopathic etc is not insulting you.

amariselle said:
Wow, what an absurd hypothetical situation. Don't worry, it will never happen. I don't know what God you're talking about, but it's not "my God."

On the other hand, people choose to rape other people all the time. But, once again, if morality is entirely subjective, then all they need to say is that it felt right to them, and if it did, they did nothing wrong.

I guess you haven't read the story of God punishing David with having his wives raped and God sending rapists to destroy the babylonians in Isaiah 13? The bible specifically says your god does this.

There you go again claiming that my position is that those things are possibly ok.... wrong. My position is that humans arrive at their moral systems based on their feelings, my moral system says all those things are wrong.

amariselle · Jun 19, 2016

Hikarifuru said:
Saying that your belief is illogical is not an attack... The only reason we started talking about science is because you asked me why humans with subjective morality would care about things like guilt and forgiveness and I said its because of evolutionary biology and then you claimed that science wasn't valid... then we said it was and that we have no reason to believe in an illogical god and your response has only been attempts to claim that our beliefs aren't logical either... as if that would somehow make an illogical being logical.

Ha ha, way to twist my words.

Also, how do you know God is "illogical"? Science can neither prove nor disprove His existence. The best it can say is, "I don't know."

Hikarifuru · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
If that is what you think, you are reading into what I have been saying things I NEVER said.

I could just as easily make the same accusations against you. But explaining your viewpoint does not mean that you are demanding that someone else agree with you.

I have never once demanded that you believe in God, not once.

But you have been insisting that we accept that we're illogical like your belief that you aren't attempting to show is logical.

Hikarifuru · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
Ha ha, way to twist my words.

Also, how do you know God is "illogical"? Science can neither prove nor disprove His existence. The best it can say is, "I don't know."

Because like you said, it has to exist outside of science and logic. You said that earlier.

Hikarifuru · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
Ha ha, way to twist my words.

Also, how do you know God is "illogical"? Science can neither prove nor disprove His existence. The best it can say is, "I don't know."

Actually I said I don't know how I exist... we know that a god that can exist by itself, can do anything, has always existed and had no beginning and for no reason isn't logical.

But we're just repeating ourselves at this point and I'm getting tired, so I'm done talking about this.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

jason_delisle said:
The answer is you don't know . Or else you would be able to provide proof that will establish this fact without any room for doubt.

Hilarious.

Can you produce evidence, that I was not visited by aliens last night and they showed me how they created the universe and confirmed to me there was no God?

Here is the moral of the story, when you need to ask someone else to prove a negative, desperation has set in.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
You mean, you don't know?

I don't know what you call "true science" no.

You brought it up, can you answer the question?

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
Ditto.

Still waiting for you to support your claim.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
If you don't know with absolute certainty how life originated, and you can't provide evidence for questions asked of you, maybe this part of the forum isn't for you. Isn't that just what you told me?

When I don't know something, should I lie and make something up?

Is there something wrong with admitting you don't know something?

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
Actually I don't take it for granted, I put it in proper perspective. But thanks for telling me what I do or don't take for granted in life. I'm glad to hear you know me so well.

Let me give you an example. If you deny the theory of evolution, you take it for granted every time you visit a doctor and they treat you with medical science that is based on the theory of evolution.

Ever had a vaccination? Ever had a flu shot? Ever had antibiotics for an illness?

Next time you go to the doctor, ask them about the theory of evolution and how it is impacted medicine. Then, close your ears, because you won't like the answer.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
Why should you accept what scientists claim either then?

Evidence.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
No, it is a fact that science does not have all of the answers it claims to have.

Demonstrate this fact.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
I am not talking about its root meaning, I am talking about the field of study and what science actually IS and what it DOES.

Explain what science is and what science does, according to you.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
No, defending your own particular beliefs when they are being attacked is not demanding that others believe as you do.

If you interpret such defense of our beliefs as demands, then you are reading into the situation things that were never said.

Nobody is demanding you to believe anything.

What others are asking (which will happen when you make claims in this area of the forum) is for you to provide support for your claims.

So far, you have provided none.

bhsmte · Jun 19, 2016

bangmegafan said:
May be you too, some people have eyes but they can't see, have ears but they can't hear

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And how do you determine and label these people who have eyes and can not see and ears but can not hear?

Would it have anything to do with them disagreeing with your religious beliefs?

Archaeopteryx · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
I don't care what the article says, I care what the Bible says.

amariselle · Jun 19, 2016

Hikarifuru said:
But you have been insisting that we accept that we're illogical like your belief that you aren't attempting to show is logical.

Really? Okay, show me where I said that you need to accept that you're illogical.

amariselle · Jun 19, 2016

Archaeopteryx said:

Ha ha....

amariselle · Jun 19, 2016

bhsmte said:
Still waiting for you to support your claim.

Likewise

Archaeopteryx · Jun 19, 2016

amariselle said:
Ha ha....

That's not at all funny.

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