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"Life originated from inorganic matter." Science cannot prove it, test it, or even recreate it. Yet if you don't believe in God, you have to have faith that it is true.

In your world then, if science does not have all the answers yet, then it must be a God?

Hold onto your hat, because science keeps closing those gaps and I see no reason this doesn't continue into the future.
 
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I asked for examples and no scientific theories are not presented as fact but very well founded theories.

"Life originated from inorganic matter ". It has not been proven true, however you have to believe it in order to believe that there is no God. It requires you to have faith in science to believe that all organic life originated from inorganic matter.
 
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Actually the belief that god is not real requires no other belief at all. The god theory provides that very thing though, that life originated from nothing but god and just because he said so and no explanation is needed.
 
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I asked for examples and no scientific theories are not presented as fact but very well founded theories.

No you didn't.

I refuse to continue going back and forth with you over this.

You're not actually bothering yourself with what Hitler actually said and did.

Actually, I am very bothered by what Hitler said and did.


Fair enough, no one can make you read the Bible of course. However, you are completely misrepresenting what it actually says.


A subjective morality based on "feelings" allows people to do whatever they want. And it allows for the standards of right and wrong to change with someone's emotions. If you acknowledge that YOUR standards are based on your "feelings", you must then acknowledge that the same is true for everyone else and that no person's feelings or morality is any better than any one else's. Therefore, people can kill if it feels right to them, and they have not done anything wrong in doing so.

I have not insulted you and I have not attacked you... I said you are selfish and deluded if your basis of rape being wrong is because it tarnishes gods image rather than how destructive to people those things are.

You've clearly misunderstood everything I've been saying. Oh well.

I have told you over and over that murder and rape are wrong... I'm not sure why you can't get that.

What makes murder and rape wrong? In your view morality is subjective remember?


I value humans because I believe we were all created by God in His image and because I believe He teaches us HIS standard of how we are to treat each other.

Subjective morality values no one, it says, in effect, anything goes, as long as it feels right, do it.
 
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I don't understand your question. I live in the usa
Okay, thanks; I was just seeking clarification of your earlier phrase "the kind of court system we have" the court system we have already.

Round the world, the systems and practices and assumptions - some of them ethical - underlying the workings of those systems are very diverse.
 
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In your world then, if science does not have all the answers yet, then it must be a God?

Hold onto your hat, because science keeps closing those gaps and I see no reason this doesn't continue into the future.
This is not about "Gaps". I am not saying that: if science can't explain it, it must be God". It is about how people have faith in scientific "theories" and believe them to be true without any proof. So don't throw that strawman argument to distract away from the point.

Do you or do you not believe that all life originated from inorganic matter?
 
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Actually the belief that god is not real requires no other belief at all.
I wonder how one can affirm something, if the language of affirmation is denied. (This is more or less a central point of Wittgenstein.)

Hebrews 11 says: "He that comes to God, must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them than diligently seek Him."
 
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You are creating a strawman in regards to science. Likely, because it helps you hold onto your personal faith.

Does science scare you?

Ha ha....does science scare me? Is this a serious question? Many things scare me, I can assure you, unless we're talking about various inventions like the atomic bomb, no, science does not scare me. I do not find it in the slightest bit threatening to my faith and belief in God. All science is is a manmade system of study and exploration. I can admit that it has allowed for many valuable discoveries and advances is worldly knowledge, but it has absolutely no bearing on my faith.
 
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Actually no... my subjective moral says it's wrong to hurt people because of how much it hurts people, and because I feel like that's wrong... whereas you feel like it's wrong to hurt people because your god said so. Your bible has stories of this gods servants KILLING lots of people because this god said so. me on the other hand will never do anything like that.

You claim that my system allows killing but I won't ever kill, whereas I can quote you pages of scriptures where your god killed, sent rapists, even make parents EAT their kids. You're just obsessed with subjective reality being dangerous and you don't understand that it's exactly what you have, you just personally feel like gods ways are best

I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent snakes to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god made parents eat their children
I'll never hurt anyone, your god had daughters burned alive
I'll never hurt anyone, your god had wives stoned
I'll never hurt anyone, your god had gay people murdered
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent bears to kill children
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent an angel to kill ever first born
I'll never hurt anyone, your god hardened pharaohs so he could kill them
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent diseases to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent famine to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent lions to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god turned people into salt
I'll never hurt anyone, your god struck people dead
I'll never hurt anyone, your god flooded the whole world
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Ask me to hurt someone and ask Jesus to hurt someone... I promise Jesus will kill before I do.
 
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As I have said many times; I see no reason to believe there is a God, but I may be wrong.

So the fact that you admit that you "may be wrong" demonstrates that you do not know. You cannot prove God doesn't exist just as much as I cannot prove that God does exist. I have faith in God and His word and you have faith in science that God does not exist.
 
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Which have to be used in a harmful way by whom?

Wait, are you saying that such inventions and discoveries weren't done with the intent to harm people? What other use do such things have?
 
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Oh I agree, I was just saying humans come together and vote in courts and force their subjective opinions on others in order to survive.
 
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I guess that's debatable at best. Each person has to weigh the possible benefits with the known risks for themselves.
 
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Well I don't have to believe I was made by aliens in order to not believe in god, it's a false dichotomy.

I understand that where I DID come from is relevant to god not existing but "I don't know" is a easy result of not believing in god.
 
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