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The Sda interpretation of Daniel, as describing the Middle Ages, and them being the remnant church in t eh wilderness, and especially their Investigative Judgment views are outside orthodoxy, and are due to the false prophetess Ellen White theology!
Until you read Daniel 7
And of course the Protestant Reformers were historicist.
Another detail is that ALL Bible timelines are contiguous.
that means the 70 years of Jeremiah that Daniel references in Daniel 9:1-10 are all one timeline -- no gaps.
And it means that the 70 weeks of years that Daniel references in that same chapter - a 490 year timeline are also contiguous - no eisegetical insert of a gap of "undefined time" into the middle of the timeline.
So then pre-mill post trib with all that 490 year timeline as one single contiguous unsliced/non-dice timeline pointing to Christ's ministry and his death on the cross 3.5 years after his ministry started with His baptism.
has absolutely nothing at all to do with the 1260 year tribulation period that came after the fall of the Roman empire - described in Dan 7, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13.
Where in Daniel 7 does it say the SDA church is the remnant?
Daniel is addressing the Jewish people at end of days,
Daniel’s 70th week rests on the battleground between radically different sides. On one side you will find the futurists, and on the other the historicists. If you believe this seven year period is yet in the future you are a futurist, and if you believe it is in the past you are an historicist.
You said...…..
"Another detail is that ALL Bible timelines are contiguous."
Incorrect.
A Messiah was promised in Genesis 3:15 but did not come until 4000 years later.
That same Messiah was promised to come from a virgin and did not happen for another 3000 years.
I could go on and on
but I think most e=understand that you are incorrect.....again.
Also Daniel 9 says that Messiah WILL BE CUT OFF which did not happen for another 400 years or so.
Where in my OP do I say "Daniel 7 says the SDA church is the remnant"?
My focus is on the actual topic of this thread.
Again, its days. not years, as describes last 3.5 years of the great Tribulation under Antichrist yet to happen!until you read Daniel 7 and see that the "saints" were going to be persecuted for 1260 years sometime after the fall of the pagan Roman empire and until the judgment of Daniel 7:9-10 ended at which time we have ... the second coming.
It is pretty hard for us all to imagine that no Jews got persecuted until the Roman empire fell given that Daniel is writing while Jews are captive in Babylon and given that 70 A.D. comes long before the fall of the pagan roman empire.
They MUST read EW views back into Daniel, for if they actually accepted what was really being stated, their whole theology falls apart like a deck of cards!Comment #357...………….
YeshuaFan said:
"The Sda interpretation of Daniel, as describing the Middle Ages, and them being the remnant church in t eh wilderness, and especially their Investigative Judgment views are outside orthodoxy".
You said...…..
"Until you read Daniel 7 ".
Daniel 9 -- 70 weeks is "years" so then it is a 490 year timeline in Daniel 9 -- as "seventy weeks".Again, its days. not years, as describes last 3.5 years of the great Tribulation under Antichrist yet to happen!
Comment #357...………….
YeshuaFan said:
"The Sda interpretation of Daniel, as describing the Middle Ages, and them being the remnant church in t eh wilderness, and especially their Investigative Judgment views are outside orthodoxy".
You said...…..
"Until you read Daniel 7 ".
Speaking with Him is the same as talking to either Mormons or JW at your door!
They MUST read EW views back into Daniel, for if they actually accepted what was really being stated, their whole theology falls apart like a deck of cards!
BobRyan said: ↑
Where in my OP do I say "Daniel 7 says the SDA church is the remnant"?
My focus is on the actual topic of this thread.
True - because as all protestant reformers freely admitted - Daniel 7 describes 4 world empires including the fall of the pagan Roman empire - which happens long after the destruction of Jerusalem and so we have 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints that happened in real history - predicted in the 1260 year timeline of Daniel 7.
That all protestant reformers would be tossed aside as just so many JW's and Mormons would probably have been a surprise to them.
The point remains... ad hominem remarks against it not withstanding.
Daniel 9 -- 70 weeks is "years" so then it is a 490 year timeline in Daniel 9 -- as "seventy weeks".
Basic rule for all apocalyptic timelines - they use "day for year". Just as in Daniel 9 so also in Daniel 7 and 8 ... and also in Rev 11, and 12, and 13.
It is a rule that holds true for all apocalyptic timelines just as the "all timelines contiguous" rule holds true for all of them.
And of course the Protestant Reformers were historicist.
Another detail is that ALL Bible timelines are contiguous.
that means the 70 years of Jeremiah that Daniel references in Daniel 9:1-10 are all one timeline -- no gaps.
And it means that the 70 weeks of years that Daniel references in that same chapter - a 490 year timeline are also contiguous - no eisegetical insert of a gap of "undefined time" into the middle of the timeline.
So then pre-mill post trib with all that 490 year timeline as one single contiguous unsliced/non-dice timeline pointing to Christ's ministry and his death on the cross 3.5 years after his ministry started with His baptism.
has absolutely nothing at all to do with the 1260 year tribulation period that came after the fall of the Roman empire - described in Dan 7, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13.
True. That is irrefutable. Particularly in cases like Daniel 7,8,9 and Rev 11,12,13 with apocalyptic timelines.
this is irrefutable.
No timeline is provided in Genesis 3 for the Messiah. Are you not following the point?
No 3000 year timeline was given ... are you not following the point?
Please don't since you seem to have missed the point about "contiguous timeline".
Here is the example given "again".
In Daniel 9:1-9 we have the 70 year prophecy of Jeremiah. That is a timeline prophecy and since all timeline prophecies in the Bible are contiguous that means you can take one - take its starting point - count out the length of the timeline and find the predicting endpoint. Thus Daniel knew that at the time of his writing that since all Bible timelines are contiguous and since the start of Jeremiah's 70 year predicted timeline was already known - the end was also known and was soon.
Frankly I would be surprised if most here did not understand the basic concept of a timeline having a start and and end and being contiguous.
Good thing too since Daniel 9 gives a 490 year timeline for the coming of the Messiah and then predicts that in the last 7 years of that timeline the Messiah would be cut off in the midst of that 7 year period. It was 483 years (69 weeks of years) from the 457 B.C. start point to the Ad 27 end point when Christ was baptized. The 3.5 years after that (mid way through that 70th week) Christ was cut off.
Bob
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