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The practice of healing and working of miracles

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Since you are using the Lord's prayer as something for us to follow today, haven't you realized that, at the conclusion of that prayer in Matthew 6, Jesus explicitly said

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Do you also follow this today?
 
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It isn't that it's not God's timing.
IMO, that's an excuse the church uses because they're not skilled in the Word.
I could be wrong but isn't it ALWAYS God's will to heal now?
Isn't 'today' the day of salvation?

It seems straightforward.
 
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Of course. What is your point?
 
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Hi Carl!
Healing is the children's bread, right? Or is that deliverance?
Or both

By His stripes we were healed anyhow. That's a thing too.
It's like anything with God, takes faith and then bam.
I've been healed immediately and been healed more slowly.
Truly don't believe it was due to God stretching it out though.

We assume so much but we must stick with His Word or we look the fool to the world
and that world needs us now more than ever, IMO.

practice makes perfect too!
how many people did you speak life into today?
I know right?
But I did pray for healing for about 5 in the past week or so.
one was on vent w cov. she left hosp last night wooot.
Not me, but He "used " me.
But a donkey would have been sufficient had no one stepped up.

I could be off, but IMO, HE wants them healed/free etc.
but HE needs US to "speak" the Word

So, if that's the case, we need to pray without ceasing.
Okay sorry so long. It's fun to consider these things
Blessings
 
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I'm sorry about your mom!

I remember when my mom had cancer.
I was a youngish unchurched Christian.
I had read in the Bible where Hed said to pray and we'd receive.
SO naturally, I prayed for her!
But she died
I was shocked and puzzled!
True story lol.

NOW, many many years later, I have a deeper understanding of healing etc.
And, I'm glad she got to leave. She was tired and she was
one of the ones spoken of that is too good for this earth.
That's biblical iirc
 
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My condolences to you as well.

I remember the night before she passed I prayed that God would either heal her and give her more years or that he would end her suffering. She passed not long after that.

There is A LOT I do not understand about scripture and about the Lord, but I do believe He is still in the healing business, even if I may not see it all the time.
 
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SAME. I bet we could meditate on one chapter of one book and learn more daily LOL
So we'd be like those at the throne, with each new revelation, our baby jumps and we're all saying "HOLY!"
more revelation, "HOLY"
more revelation, "HOLY"
more revelation, "HOLY"

If you understood that last part lol well it's a pretty cool thing to consider
 
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I hear the same issue raised again and again...

"I held fast to God's Word" - and didn't see the result I expected...

There is a big difference between holding onto a principle in Scripture and actually hearing God's living Word on an issue.

We need to be teaching folks to hear Him.

Faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ - that is His living Word spoken personally to you.

Faith then is a gift given for you to know an outcome.

From then the critical matter becomes not slipping into unbelief or disobedience.

So it is never a matter of maintaining a mindset from what you have read in the Word - rather holding onto what He has spoken to you personally.

If you do this then the outcome is sure to come to pass.
 
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Carl is absolutely right on this.

It is always GOD's decision on what He wants to do with His power, and we have to hear from Him, not try to act on our belief.
 
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Carl is absolutely right on this.

It is always GOD's decision on what He wants to do with His power, and we have to hear from Him, not try to act on our belief.

Out of curiosity, how would you reconcile this view regarding healing and salvation, if you believe both healing and salvation comes from the atonement, like what hislegacy is asking here?


We won't tell an unbeliever who is believing God to save him that he may not be saved because "It is always GOD's decision on what He wants to do with His power"?
 
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"I held fast to God's Word" - and didn't see the result I expected...

If an unbeliever believes that Christ died for his sins and rose again on the 3rd day for his salvation, will he immediately be saved, without worrying about all the other issues you were bringing up with regards to healing?
 
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It is always God's will to save and heal, as evidenced by the facts that He has already provided for both.
Why is not everyone saved? It is for the same reason that everyone is not healed. At this point, the perfect will of God is for all to be saved and healed. Why is not everyone saved and healed? The answer for both is the same. Ignorance of the provision. or denial of the provision. It is not "because God does not want them healed and saved."
 
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The subject I was responding to was about healing, not about salvation, you brought that up to me with your question.

But,....since you brought it up, it is still GOD's decision on who is saved in my personal opinion. It is offered to everyone, but only certain ones actually respond, and certain ones who will receive.

Again, this is my personal opinion on it.
 
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You would agree that once anyone respond, he will immediately be saved?
 
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You would agree that once anyone believe in the gospel found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, he will immediately be saved?
 
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If an unbeliever believes that Christ died for his sins and rose again on the 3rd day for his salvation, will he immediately be saved, without worrying about all the other issues you were bringing up with regards to healing?
So if he is a mass murderer and continues on his mass murdering ways, is he saved?
If he worships Baal and continues to worship Baal, will he be saved?
If the Jesus he believes in is actually a singer in a Mexican band. Then is he saved?
The point is that there are conditions for salvation that determine whether or not someone is saved.
Just like healing... you have to discern the wine. If you fail to discern the blood of the Lord, then you will not be saved. You can drink the wine until you are falling down drunk. You will not be saved. It is the same with discerning the Lord's body. If you do not know why Jesus suffered in His body with stripes and the cross, then you may be sick, weak, and die young.
 
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You would agree that once anyone respond, he will immediately be saved?
If they responded to GOD prepping the heart and they reached up to GOD speaking out from the heart,.... then yes, I wouldn't see why not.
 
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The point is that there are conditions for salvation that determine whether or not someone is saved.

Given what you mentioned to me about the Lord's prayer previously, I think I can understand what you are trying to say here. Thanks.
 
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