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The population argument for a young Earth

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Pete Harcoff, Aug 4, 2005.

  1. MSBS

    MSBS Well-Known Member

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    Are you really under the impression that there haven't been any famines in Africa in modern times? Really? Umm... maybe you ought to check here:

    http://www.wfp.org/
     
  2. Smidlee

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    Amazingly these human advancements came out of thin air which is one of the creationist points. Civilizations suddenly came to existance with great knowledge. I've read even evolutionists admit this is a problem especially since they believe modern man started 150,000 years ago which begs to question why did it take 145,000 years for him to get his PHD.
    So there a lot more to this then just the fact there are now 6 billion people on Earth. Man is very resourceful in surviving in almost any kind of environment.

    If someone believe modern man been here for 150,000 years then it would seem you have to believe that man was as dumb as an ox for atleast 140,000 of those years why then beg the question where did this super knowledge suddenly came from. Maybe a man was struck by lighting huh? Or maybe aliens are involved as in Stargate?
     
  3. Hydra009

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    I agree, Ug et al were stupid not to be building skyscrapers while they were struggling to survive. :doh:

    That's twice I've seen this kind of thinking from creationists: Why did mankind sit on its fanny for thousands of years before doing X? It's kind of like asking why mankind waited so long before building nukes or landing on the moon. The assumptions are that modern scientific developments were obvious to extremely ancient peoples and the prerequisite knowledge and resources were readily available. Wrong.
     
  4. A4C

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    No that is not my point at all
    As there are high populations and poverty in undeveloped areas today this cannot be a reason for low poulation world wide in milleniums before
     
  5. Smidlee

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    Just because we have more knowledge than humans in the past doesn't mean we are smarter. Of course it took time to build up. The game of Chess is a good example of knowledge build up. Again all this began with a amazing jump in civilization a few thousands year ago which now can can go to the moon,etc.
    By the way they did build skyscrappers (just not out of steel) and many other amazing building which shows these people had a lot of time on their hands besides just surviving as an animal.
     
  6. alerj123

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    They didn't come "out of think air" But different circomstances allowed humans to utilize some of there more creative capaciaties. Think about it, whats the difference between you, and humans 50 thousand years ago? The difference is that your basic needs are all take care of. You don't hunt for food, you don't worry about shelter, or where your going to sleep, and you are very confortable. Early human's couldnt do this, they had to worry about eating, sleeping, everything that you get easily, they had to spend all there time doing. In modern days, we can spend all, or most of our time doing OTHER THINGS. This is what has allowed us to advance.

    Also, every single invention, from the computer your using, to the lightbulb above you, had to be invented by people spending there WHOLE lives trying to find new things. And each one of these inventions took a multitude of inventions before it for man to even BEGIN to figure out the modern inventions.

    We are just as smart as early human, or just as stupid, however you want to look at it. The only two differences are that we have a wealth of knowlage to start with, and we don't need to worry about basic requierments for survival.
     
  7. alerj123

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    So your saying that the avalibility of food and shelter is not a factor in limiting population growth?? If thats what your saying, have you ever heard of BACTERIA. If not for food, resources, etc...what is limiting there population growth and how is this in ANY way different then human's?
     
  8. alerj123

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    We're not smarter then early humans, we just have more KNOWLAGE. big difference, if you don't understand, ask and ill explain.

    Im pretty sure he's talking about early humans, the ones who didn't build pyrimids and buildings, but were just trying to survive. The ones 50 thousand years ago. But your right, "these people" did have a lot of time on there hands. Early humans however, did not. This is why "these people" could advance so much while the early humans could not.
     
  9. A4C

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    So you are saying there has been a reduction of bacteria in undeveloped areas are you?
     
  10. Hydra009

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    Of course not. I never argued to that effect. That little number is just a strawman of your own devising: you said that if you believe mankind existed 150,000 years ago, then you must believe they were stupid for not inventing the technological marvels that people have developed much more recent history. No one believes that.

    Pinpoint the date and exactly what this "amazing jump in civilization" is that you vaguely refer to but, suspiciously, have not fleshed out.

    I'm talking Middle Paleolithic era here. 150,000 years ago is just a tad prior to the developments of agriculture and citydwelling. I don't doubt, nor did I say that I doubted, that ancient peoples thousands of years ago built many wonderous buidings, like the pyramids.
     
  11. Loudmouth

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    No, the question is with a 30 minute generation time, why aren't we all swimming in a sea of bacteria miles deep?
     
  12. A4C

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    eh? I dont get your line of reasoning
    Sure I am YEC but why should I support MORE bacteria Actually I actually think there was less and where my questioning was leading.
     
  13. ImmortalTechnique

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    well, according to the bacteria population argument, the world can only be 54 hours old
     
  14. MartinM

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    Global floods every six hours to keep the population down.
     
  15. alerj123

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    Your saying that food and resources don't prevent population growth, is that right? You were comparing and supporting this statement to the fact that in african states, despite the food shortage, there is still a large population, is that right?

    We are trying to compare this with bacteria. Your saying that food and resources don't prevent population growth, now if this is true, then bacteria, due to there short generations, should by now, cover the earth entirely.
     
  16. A4C

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    Are you deriding bacteria by suggesting they act like humans or vice versa ? :)
     
  17. Split Rock

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    Before civilization, mankind was restricted to relatively small Hunter-gather groups. Study of such remaining groups in modern times has shown that they tend to remain at a fairly constant population level and do not increase in size exponentially, like we have seen in civilized populations.
     
  18. z3ro

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    Simple question; why did we get significantly more technologically advanced in the last 50 years? These past decades have seen more growth than millenia before them. Same thing as asking why people 200 years ago didn't have cell phones. Our knowledge over time grows, and occasionally jumps forward.
     
  19. Loudmouth

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    Bacteria, on average, can double every 30 minutes. In the lab, I can easily grow 1 gram of bacteria (wet weight) in about 4 hours. That means the mass of bacteria will double 6 times every day. Starting with a gram of bacteria, it should only take about 15 days to grow the equivalent weight of the earth in bacteria (earth's mass = 5.98x10^27 grams). So, why doesn't this happen? Or is the world younger than 15 days?
     
  20. alerj123

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    When it comes to population growth, then yes, they act like humans. So does every single population of any species, for that manner.
     
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