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The Philosophy of Original Sin, Dissecting Genesis.
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The human Jesus could and was.
You are an atheist, and so unlikely to worry your head about the hypostatic union.
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It was the will of the Universal Father for God the Son to incarnate as one of his own created beings and live the life we are asked to live, all while subject to the will of the Father. Death is a part of life for ordinary man, we now have a God that has lived all the aspects of an average mortal life yet without sin.
With the ability to self regulate his divinity, Jesus remained loyal to the will of the Father. The Universal Father then was untangling the mess created by the erroneous concept of a Jewish Messiah who was expected to do things that Jesus was not going to do. The apostles and followers of Jesus saw him as the long expected deliverer, an idea so engrained in the Jewish psyche that they simply were not going to see him any other way than the Messiah who was going to do all that he was expected.
*Many aspects of Jesus' life contained themes familiar to religions outside of Judaism. So when the gospel messengers went out into the world their message about his life and the new religion about him were more attractive.
Jesus, subject to his Fathers will, laid down his life of his on volition, he resurrected a likeness of his former mortal flesh by divine right. This was simply not a condition required for the Son or the Father forgiving the individual who sins.
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Interesting point: If "you" continue, but your body doesn't, has death occurred?
If science was able to move your brain to another body, would you have died? I would say no. What do you think?
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'Sin' is a problem imagined by Christianity, with a cure imagined by Christianity.
At least snake oil salesmen offer fake cures for actual problems.
At least snake oil salesmen offer fake cures for actual problems.
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Yes, death of the body......but if after death of the flesh, your soul and it's transcripts are downloaded into a new form on the mansion worlds, where there is "a more enduring substance" then Jesus was right when he said:
"I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.
So, considering that we "sleep in the dust" and awake in the resurrection with no sense of time elapsing, then I would say no, as an ongoing entity we didn't die, but technically our body died and returned to the elements.
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'Sin' makes an otherwise inconvenient and unfortunate event, like murder, theft, rape, etc. into a 'moral' offence as well. Without the concept of wrongdoing, whether based on religious tenets or not, there is no morality, and therefore no need for conscience.
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No it doesn't. 'Sin', in the Christian sense, is an offense to Yahweh. It has nothing to do with good or bad behavior in the slightest. I could murder, thieve and rape every single day, have a deathbed conversion and go to heaven. Or I could spend my entire life as an atheist philanthropist and go to hell.
The only 'wrongdoing' in Christianity is disbelief. I am glad there is no good reason whatsoever to suspect this is the system we live under.
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Personally, I feel that Genesis more is allegory about agriculture than anything else. Agricultural practices are thought to have first been performed by women (Eve) who taught men (Adam) later. This knowledge had its benefits, though it also made life more complicated than the previously held hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
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Ever notice how Cain and Able were tending flocks and fields, tithing to a religion? How much food does a family of 4 need in a tropical paradise?
* The earth was populated and religion existed.
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"Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offeringfat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast."
But the explanation doesn't make sense.......unless there was another reason that Able taunted Cain
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