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Right, so Paul was wrong in sayin that Jesus was made after the order of Meclhisedec who has no beginning nor end of days like the son of God?
Right, so Paul was wrong in sayin that Jesus was made after the order of Meclhisedec who has no beginning nor end of days like the son of God?
So you proved my point that Yeshua has no earthly parents since we both agree that He was not created and has existed from eternity.As I have said prior Melekh Tzaddik means Righteous King...both priest and King. Yeshua is both. Is THAT what you are basing your theory that Miriam was not Yeshua's biological mother on? John says the Word was with God and the Word was God. Yeshua pre-existed prior to His Incarnation.
Adam's biological (flesh) tie is to the earth who labored (and a mist came up from the ground to water the face of the earth) to bring forth. Whereas the living soul he was, came out of God, as a woman that would come out of a man (God being the first as a beginning, and a last as an end (a word that does not return void, but accomplishes everything it was sent out to do) or soul out of the spirit (a reflection (in the mirror) of the light), or in picture where a city comes down and out of that reflects the truth it came out of.So you proved my point that Yeshua has no earthly parents since we both agree that He was not created and has existed from eternity.
And keep in mind that when Jesus was told that His mother and brothers and sisters were looking for Him, He said that those who do His Will are His, mother, brother, and sister: therefore He was indirectly stating that He has no biological ties to anyone. I'm like fashion Adam has no biological ties to anyone since we are all descended from him. This point is made clear in the genealogies of Matthew and Luke.
I have tried to answer your first couple of statements but you haven't really answered my rebuttals A lot of your NT concerns are just not correct. It will take hours to answer a lot of it.You are ignoring the fact that Christianity is dying in this part of the world.
So you proved my point that Yeshua has no earthly parents since we both agree that He was not created and has existed from eternity.
And keep in mind that when Jesus was told that His mother and brothers and sisters were looking for Him, He said that those who do His Will are His, mother, brother, and sister: therefore He was indirectly stating that He has no biological ties to anyone. I'm like fashion Adam has no biological ties to anyone since we are all descended from him. This point is made clear in the genealogies of Matthew and Luke.
Why do you keep saying that I claim Jesus is created when I've said multiple times that He was not? Do you not understand what it means to be a type of someone? And if Jesus had genetic ties to Mary then the conception and birth were natural (i.e. Mary had sex with a man) but, this was not the case.Not the case at all! He was not created like Adam was. Yes He existed eternally yet He became man through His Incarnation. Yet the Gospels all say Miriam was His mother. Yeshua was in her womb for 9 months and was born. He had to be a genetic ancestor of David and without Miriam, that would not be the case. You are blowing smoke...
You sound confused...God is male and made Adam after His Image and Likeness: therefore Adam a is male. Wisdom who is female in Proverbs 8 came out of God: therefore Woman came out of Man. The earth never labored to bring forth water, instead it was told to produce fruit and plants of all kinds. The waters were commanded to gather into one place so the earth could appear.Adam's biological (flesh) tie is to the earth who labored (and a mist came up from the ground to water the face of the earth) to bring forth. Whereas the living soul he was, came out of God, as a woman that would come out of a man (God being the first as a beginning, and a last as an end (a word that does not return void, but accomplishes everything it was sent out to do) or soul out of the spirit (a reflection (in the mirror) of the light), or in picture where a city comes down and out of that reflects the truth it came out of.
Why do you keep saying that I claim Jesus is created when I've said multiple times that He was not? Do you not understand what it means to be a type of someone? And if Jesus had genetic ties to Mary then the conception and birth were natural (i.e. Mary had sex with a man) but, this was not the case.
I don't think he did either. While this may seem like heresy to many people on this forum, the exodus story is seen by many to not be a super historically accurate story (including from biblical scholars) God killing children makes sense in the context of the story and the time/audience it was for. Ancient Israelites at this time didn't have this concept of prince of peace Jesus, and children of the enemy being killed to punish those who opposed God made sense. So the story works with the audience understanding of killings done by God seen as presenting his glory/power over Egypt and their religion, showing why he is the most powerful and creator.The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?
I don't think he did either. While this may seem like heresy to many people on this forum, the exodus story is seen by many to not be a super historically accurate story (including from biblical scholars) God killing children makes sense in the context of the story and the time/audience it was for. Ancient Israelites at this time didn't have this concept of prince of peace Jesus, and children of the enemy being killed to punish those who opposed God made sense. So the story works with the audience understanding of killings done by God seen as presenting his glory/power over Egypt and their religion, showing why he is the most powerful and creator.
Yeshua did not need to be genetically related for prophecy to be fulfilled. When we look at the prophecy given to Eve it's said that her seed would crush the head of the serpent: literally we know that only men have seed and women only have the egg. The prophecy then would be that the Son of Adam (i.e. Man) would be Jesus who would crush the head of Evil once and for all. Incarnation means made flesh: it does not follow that one must be genetically related to be made flesh. Adam was made flesh without having a father or mother: Jesus was made flesh without having a father or mother. Isaiah tells us that a virgin will conceive and bring forth a child: this means that everything would be supernatural and not natural about Jesus' arrival.Sure I know what a type is, I wonder if you do. No sex. Incarnation. If He was not genetically related to Miriam, then that prophecy could not have been fulfilled.
Where are you getting your facts from? You man no sense at all. God is Life and gives life: therefore He may take what He has given.I don't think he did either. While this may seem like heresy to many people on this forum, the exodus story is seen by many to not be a super historically accurate story (including from biblical scholars) God killing children makes sense in the context of the story and the time/audience it was for. Ancient Israelites at this time didn't have this concept of prince of peace Jesus, and children of the enemy being killed to punish those who opposed God made sense. So the story works with the audience understanding of killings done by God seen as presenting his glory/power over Egypt and their religion, showing why he is the most powerful and creator.
Yeshua did not need to be genetically related for prophecy to be fulfilled. When we look at the prophecy given to Eve it's said that her seed would crush the head of the serpent: literally we know that only men have seed and women only have the egg. The prophecy then would be that the Son of Adam (i.e. Man) would be Jesus who would crush the head of Evil once and for all. Incarnation means made flesh: it does not follow that one must be genetically related to be made flesh. Adam was made flesh without having a father or mother: Jesus was made flesh without having a father or mother. Isaiah tells us that a virgin will conceive and bring forth a child: this means that everything would be supernatural and not natural about Jesus' arrival.
I don't think so either. Show the word "genetically" anywhere in YHWH'S WORD.Yet, He HAD to be genetically related to David...
Noted and yes, strange - when , as is the case, most people reject YHWH and reject YHWH'S WORD, they are not able to make sense as it is written, only those people who have the Spirit are able to understand or make sense:Where are you getting your facts from? You make no sense at all. God is Life and gives life: therefore He may take what He has given.
No He did not. The genealogies were meant to show that Mary and Joseph had descended from the line of David and Aaron therefore meeting the requirement of priestly and kingly origins: this is what Melchisedec embodied. Do not forget the curse that was placed on Jechoniah that none of his seed would sit on the throne of David. If Jesus was naturally birthed and conceived then it would follow that He could not sit on the throne of David. Since His conception and birth were supernatural He escaped the curse. By law he was made the son but, by flesh and blood he was not the son of Mary.Yet, He HAD to be genetically related to David...
I don't think so either. Show the word "genetically" anywhere in YHWH'S WORD.
What does "rapture" have to do with "genetically",are you
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