The Orwellian Nature of Creationism

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Big Brother is watching you.
His name is creationsciencescientificreationismIntelligentDesignDiscoveryInstitutePatRobertson and he will not rest until all reality has been created in his own image.

dou·ble·think
Thought marked by the acceptance of gross contradictions and falsehoods, especially when used as a technique of self-indoctrination: “Doublethink... is a vast system of mental cheating” (George Orwell).
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=doublethink


Double think: the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. (George Orwell, 1984, pages 35, 176-177)


Blackwhite: In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, blackwhite means the ability to accept whatever "truth" the governing totalitarian party puts out, no matter how absurd it may be. Orwell described it as "...loyal willingness to say black is white when party discipline demands this. It also means the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know black is white, and forget that one has ever believed the contrary."
The ability to blindly believe anything, regardless of its absurdity, can have different causes: respect for authority, fear, indoctrination, even critical laziness or gullibility. Orwell's blackwhite refers only to that caused by fear, indoctrination or repression of one's individual critical thinking ("to know black is white"), rather than caused by laziness or gullibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwhite


Doublethink and blackwhite are the pillars of creationism and charicteristics of any group dedicated to denying and suppressing reality whether it be political, religious or social in nature.
Without blackwhite and doublethink, the creationist would never be able to observe evidence of common descent and believe it to be proof of special creation.
Without doublethink and blackwhite, religious fundamentalism would never be able to masquerade as science.



IS IGNORANCE STRENGTH?
 
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There is much that is Orwellian in Fundamentalist Christianity.

The fundamentalist God reminds me of BB. He rules by fear - believe this, or risk the literal fires of Hell (LFoH). Do this, or risk the LFoH. I am a loving God, but get it wrong and you will go to the LFoH. "Love" is redefined to mean insistence on a narrow channel of belief. "Justice" is redefined to mean an eternity in the LFoH for the slightest infraction. "Wrath" is redefined to mean genocidal hatred.

I was a fundamentalist once. I would never have admitted it even to myself at the time - such is the nature of Doublethink - but I exercised it daily to maintain fundamentalist teachings. When I insisted on letting one part of my brain see what the other was doing, it fell apart. Thank God for mainstream Christianity (Fundies see everyone else as "liberal", rather like neocons considering everyone to the right of Attila the Hun to be socialists) which allows you to examine these issues, think for yourself, and admit that black isn't white.
 
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Matthew - what I said was that the Orwellian version of Christianity has Orwellian beliefs about Hell.

Personally, I lean towards the River of Fire Orthodox interpretation of Hell. But I'm a quasi-universalist - I think God has a dog in this fight, as it were, and it's on the side of keeping people out of Hell. I don't go along with this Fundamentalist "God's told you how to keep out of Hell so if you don't do what He said that's your look out" viewpoint. It's too much like a parent who puts a child next to a fire and says "Don't touch the fire, but if you do, I'll let you burn" - hence redefining "love" as I said before.

But this would be too much to go into on a science forum.
 
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Karl - Liberal Backslider said:
Personally, I lean towards the River of Fire Orthodox interpretation of Hell.

The Orthodox Christian interpretation of hell is that in the world to come, God will be a great light. Those who loved Him will enjoy the light but those who hated Him will be tortured by it.

Peace.
 
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Evolutionism must compromise with ID'ism or enter the dust bin. There's to much information available to everyone for evolutionism to hide behind some supposed inability to understand the definition of design and/or a failure to appreciate the recognizability of design in nature by the common man.
And now? Paranoia? Fundamentalist Christians are out to get us? Neroistic fatalism? Weak.

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Edx said:
And those that didnt believe in him?

They get to rethink having found out He exists.

The Orthodox, and me, don't think it's all over when you die. I see no logic in the idea that God's wide open to people turning to Him until the moment they die, then suddenly going all sulky.

This is why my "hell" has so fewer people in it than the fundy's Hell. You only end up in Hell, IMV, if when all is revealed you still want to go there. One can even hope it will be empty, but then people can be incredibly bloody minded.

Matthew - that is the River of Fire view to which I refer.

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Edx said:
And those that didnt believe in him?

I don't think that God sees a difference. Those who reject Him, reject Him.
I am not saying that the light itself would be torturous but feeling it will be for those who do not love Him.

Peace.
 
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Karl - Liberal Backslider said:
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The Orthodox, and me, don't think it's all over when you die. I see no logic in the idea that God's wide open to people turning to Him until the moment they die, then suddenly going all sulky.
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We don't believe in universal salvation.

Peace.
 
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Joman said:
Evolutionism must compromise with ID'ism or enter the dust bin. There's to much information available to everyone for evolutionism to hide behind some supposed inability to understand the definition of design and/or a failure to appreciate the recognizability of design in nature by the common man.
And now? Paranoia? Fundamentalist Christians are out to get us? Neroistic fatalism? Weak.

Joman.

The problem is that ID advocates fail to provide positive evidence for design.

Peace.
 
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Matthew777 said:
We don't believe in universal salvation.

Peace.

I didn't say you did. But I do know that you don't limit the grace of God to before death.

At least, the Orthodox I know don't.
 
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Matthew777 said:
We don't believe in universal salvation.

I think that quite a strong case could be made scripturally for universal salvation. I'm writing a pair of midterms tomorrow, so I'm rather busy right now, but I'd be happy to debate with you on the subject. :) Another poster on these boards who makes an excellent case for universalism is Charlie V.
 
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Edx said:
So not believing in something when you feel you dont have enough reasons to believe in it, is the same as hating that thing? Riiight.

Ed

If I can see the difference, I find it bizarre to suggest that God can't.
 
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