The origins of atheism

Ana the Ist · Sep 25, 2015

EZoolander said:
So if you're looking for certainty - the SM isn't your best bet. However, it doesn't claim certainty. It claims "Based upon our best observations and hypothesis at the moment, this is what we think is going on".

Is there a better "bet"?

Archaeopteryx · Sep 25, 2015

Colter said:
Which is fine, but you believe in his ideals and are a part of his rebellion, you are just to clueless to realize it.

Am I also "rebelling" against scientology? Are you? Perhaps you are just too clueless to realise it.

JonFromMinnesota · Sep 25, 2015

Colter said:
Which is fine, but you believe in his ideals

So I should stop volunteering at the nursing home near my house on Fridays?

Colter said:
you are just to clueless to realize it.

You are clueless how most atheists live their lives. It's insulting that you think we're evil.

DogmaHunter · Sep 25, 2015

Couldn't help myself and read it anyway....
One last comment.

Chriliman said:
Right, we'll never know the truth, if there is no truth to be known, but we will know the truth if there is a truth to be known, therefore it's reasonable to ask questions in order to get to the truth, assuming the truth is knowable.

No. Not "assuming". Rather: in case it is knowable.

When a detective starts investigating a murder, he doesn't do it assuming he will solve it. He tries to solve it in case it can be solved - which can't be known in advance.

Proving me right again.

lol, no...
Rather proving again that you live in a black-and-white bubble with an allergy to the words "I don't know, so let's try and find out".

ecco · Sep 25, 2015

Colter said:
The Urantia Book is related to Christianity.

And sci fi UFO's

Colter said:
Atheism is related to the devil.

I guess that depends on the point of the viewer.

There are those christians and urantians who believe that "Atheism is related to the devil."

But consider, satan is, at least, a demi-god, a theistic entity. Atheists, by definition, do not believe in any theistic entities. Therefore atheists and atheism cannot be related to the devil.

As I said, it depends on the point of the viewer.

There are those christians who believe it is the urantia book that is related to satanism.

http://www.creationists.org/cults-urantia.html
The Jesus of the Urantia book is not the same Jesus of the Bible. In fact they are polar opposites. If Satan can simply get us to believe in a false, repackaged Jesus, he can effectively lure us away from being saved through faith in the real Jesus of the Bible.

ecco · Sep 25, 2015

jenny1972 said:
can you provide a link to the poll or source that shows that ALL cosmologists agree with that?

Why would that be important?

can you provide a link to the poll or source that shows that ALL christians believe the same thing?

Davian · Sep 25, 2015

AV1611VET said:
I mean invisible.

Man's concept of invisible is still detectable.

But when God says He's invisible, He means it.

So you add to the Bible what you need to. Got it.

Davian · Sep 25, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Yes.

We call those things "working definitions."

Much better than the "non-working" definitions.

Unless, of course, a theologian tries to use one -- like "faith" or "kind" -- then scientists show up to pick it apart and demand a one-size-fits-all definition.

Or to define it in a robust, coherent manner. Always the problem for the theologian.

Chriliman · Sep 25, 2015

DogmaHunter said:
Which I have denied post after post after post after...........

I have literally stated that I will not commit/assume/believe either way and instead say that I don't know.

If I say that will not commit/assume/believe either way it means that I am not willing to commit/assume/believe either way.

Your willing to say you don't know, that is clear, but the question is are you willing to objectively think about possible truths? In order to objectively think about a possible truth we must assume the truth is possible, otherwise, we're not being truly objective. The fact that we are assuming it's possible does not mean we accept it as true, we're just assuming it's possibly true, which again, is a reasonable thing to do.

Its seems your willing to just claim you don't know, without assuming possible truths in order to change the fact that you don't know. Are you willing to claim you don't know, forever, if no reason or evidence is ever provided that shows you what the truth is? If so then you're willing to accept that the truth can never be known, which you claim is not the case, but in fact it is if you really think about what your claiming by saying you don't know.

Davian · Sep 25, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Like going to the zoo just to hear evolution propagated through their speakers, isn't it?

Not for me. Yourself?

ScottA · Sep 25, 2015

Davian said:
I only quoted the bit that you transgressed.

...there...
As an ignostic, I make no such assumptions.

Religious opinions posited as accurate descriptions of reality do. Yet you keep striking out at the plate.

I made no such claim.

I do not accept your religious opinion as reality.

It is your definitions that are under scrutiny here. Venture outside the common vernacular and you can - and do - render your claims incoherent.

1. Selecting just the parts of live you like and pretending the rest do not exist, does not change the greater reality. The reason that the forum does not allow defense of the existence of God...is because it begins with the reality that He does and therefore debate is pointless and futile.
2. "Their" God, is "there"...and I you are only here for entertainment...yeah, you keep saying that. What does your dictionary say the definition of a "heckler" is?
3. My ineffectiveness to state the facts, does not diminish the truth. But it does make one wonder why the light doesn't get through.
4. Are you saying you don't argue against the claims of God's people?
5. You can take or leave my comments, but reality remains the same.

Davian · Sep 25, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Translation:

Biology is not a religion, it is a branch of one.

It never ceases to amaze me to see a religionist use their own terms in the pejorative.

Colter · Sep 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Am I also "rebelling" against scientology? Are you? Perhaps you are just too clueless to realise it.

If I was on a Scientology site trying to debunk their religion then I would be rebelling. Not complicated.

Chriliman · Sep 25, 2015

ToddNotTodd said:
Are you asking "Why is there something rather than nothing"?

I'm asking what I asked for a specific reason so I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my questions honestly.

ecco · Sep 25, 2015

EZoolander said:
The number of "planets" (as in the true state of the solar system) has remained unchanged. The only difference is in how we've decided to define things arbitrarily.

IMHO: Another difference is in our observational capabilities. Pluto was not even discovered until 1930. Our understanding of Pluto's orbit is more precise than it was 85 years ago.

Colter · Sep 25, 2015

ecco said:
And sci fi UFO's

I guess that depends on the point of the viewer.

There are those christians and urantians who believe that "Atheism is related to the devil."

But consider, satan is, at least, a demi-god, a theistic entity. Atheists, by definition, do not believe in any theistic entities. Therefore atheists and atheism cannot be related to the devil.

As I said, it depends on the point of the viewer.

There are those christians who believe it is the urantia book that is related to satanism.

http://www.creationists.org/cults-urantia.html
The Jesus of the Urantia book is not the same Jesus of the Bible. In fact they are polar opposites. If Satan can simply get us to believe in a false, repackaged Jesus, he can effectively lure us away from being saved through faith in the real Jesus of the Bible.

No UFO's in the UB. The only relation to Sci fi is the authors who were UB readers that extrapolated concepts from the book.

Same Jesus, Christians don't have a monopoly oh him.

Archaeopteryx · Sep 25, 2015

Colter said:
If I was on a Scientology site trying to debunk their religion then I would be rebelling. Not complicated.

So you admit that you're rebelling here? Thank-you, that's all that was required.

ToddNotTodd · Sep 25, 2015

Chriliman said:
I'm asking what I asked for a specific reason so I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my questions honestly.

And I'm trying to honestly figure out the exact question you're asking. If you're asking why the universe exists, that's essentially the same as "why is there something rather than nothing?".

And my answer to that question is that I'm not even sure that's an intelligible question. It might be like asking what's north of the north pole. At best you might get me to say "I don't know."

Now what?

Davian · Sep 25, 2015

ScottA said:
1. Selecting just the parts of live you like and pretending the rest do not exist, does not change the greater reality.

And your beliefs to not change reality. Feel free to pretend otherwise.

The reason that the forum does not allow defense of the existence of God...is because it begins with the reality that He does and therefore debate is pointless and futile.

You are misrepresenting that document. I do find that to be intellectually dishonest.

2. "Their" God, is "there"...and I you are only here for entertainment...yeah, you keep saying that. What does your dictionary say the definition of a "heckler" is?

heckle |ˈhekəl| verb [ with obj. ] 1 interrupt (a public speaker) with derisive or aggressive comments or abuse: he was booed and heckled when he tried to address the demonstrators |

That does not seem to be applicable here, unless you feel that I am interrupting your prothletizing, which is against the rules of this forum.

Pretend that you are in a philosophy forum.

3. My ineffectiveness to state the facts, does not diminish the truth.

If you opinion was truth, should not it be supportable with facts? And, that is not the case.

But it does make one wonder why the light doesn't get through.

Perhaps there is no "light". You could be wrong, could you not?

4. Are you saying you don't argue against the claims of God's people?

No.

5. You can take or leave my comments, but reality remains the same.

Indeed, regardless of what you believe it to be.

jenny1972 · Sep 25, 2015

ecco said:
Why would that be important?

can you provide a link to the poll or source that shows that ALL christians believe the same thing?

you are the one that claimed that they all did so i simply asked for the source of that info since i find that to be highly unlikely

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