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The origins of atheism

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muichimotsu

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When our beliefs are uncertain that's when hope is the most powerful because it gives us a reason to continue making rational assumptions that can lead to the truth, which then allows us to be certain of our beliefs.
Uncertainty is not a reason to cling to false hope. Having a provisional set of beliefs is preferable to sticking to a flimsy standard that changes with caprice and popularity or one that is inflexible and doesn't change except with societal pressures on the religious institution.

Truth is not something that is a final destination we reach, it's a quality of the knowledge we possess as relates to reality. We can come closer to truth, but never in the absolute and complete sense, since we aren't able to be purely objective.
 
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The proof is not given to God, but is demanded by God, from all who are born into the world. On the contrary, it is God who gives all things, death and life. What one does with the gift, is of their own doing, whether it be organic only, or first organic and then spiritual.
 
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But I don't have a porch.
 
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Well, if God wants proof of my existence, all he needs to do is look inside himself and recognise the David Gould shaped hole in his heart. Once he believes in me, he will be bathed in my love and mercy for all of time. Of course, if God wishes to continue in his agouldism by denying me, then I will be very sad. But I will wait for him.
 
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I'm not afraid of your scare tactics Scott. They may work on an impressionable child or the gullible but not on me.
Your presence here places you at an intersection with a lost look on your face. We are simply offering directions. Take it or leave it. But you still got that look.
 
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the irony. You have no idea if I have read the books or not.
 
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Your presence here places you at an intersection with a lost look on your face. We are simply offering directions. Take it or leave it. But you still got that look.

I'm actually here because I enjoy a healthy debate. Unfortunately you haven't made one iota of sense in your arguments. You don't seem to have a problem making baseless assumptions about someone though.
 
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So our beliefs are a choice, but our dispositions to believe are determined? Maybe I read that wrong, but if that's your belief, it kind of creates a contradiction
A paradox to be sure. It is the essential paradox of the existence of human responsibility (and choice) and the sovereignty of God. I don't expect you to understand it.
 
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God has proof of your organic existence and of your funeral march. Good job with that. Is there more?
 
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I'm actually here because I enjoy a healthy debate. Unfortunately you haven't made one iota of sense in your arguments. You don't seem to have a problem making baseless assumptions about someone though.
You mean like, you came to pick up a newspaper for your entertainment, and then want to argue about the content? 'Cause I am not here to argue, just put out the news.
 
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You mean like, you came to pick up a newspaper for your entertainment, and then want to argue about the content? 'Cause I am not here to argue, just put out the news.

You realize this is a debate thread correct?
 
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1. You are HERE. Read.
2. I am not here to substantiate what I already know to be true. I am just sharing the good news of life beyond the grave.
3. The ticket was a gift. It just appeared from the sky. I guess you didn't get one.
 
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Your posts make me laugh over and over again. I believe that!

 
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Of course science depends upon opinions. Scientists argue all the time. Scientific theories depend upon the opinions of the scientists. Only over time do the facts support one theory above the others, and sometimes it is many years before even those theories are proved false.
 
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Are you seriously telling God what to do?
 
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Well I became a happier, more caring person after I dropped my faith so I don't see any spiritual problems at all.

If you do not have any spiritual problems at all, why would you come on to a website and thread like this one to vociferously argue against faith? Sounds like you are compensating for something... and going nuts trying to rationalize your newfound lack of faith. Good luck with that.
 
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