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Although the billions who believe and testify to its effectiveness in their lives will not move you, perhaps you would be willing to examine the evidence. I invite readers to examine Josh McDowell’s “Evidence that Demands a Verdict,” Vol. I & 2. It is about objective scientific evidence as well as the opinions of many of the most intelligent and respected humans on the planet. I can predict that you will not do so because of the evidence here that you no longer have an open mind.
Well scripture is the claim, not evidence. Can you demonstrate it to be true?
can you prove to us that it isnt true?
Then I hope you are having a pleasant Thursday while I am still laboring through Wednesday.Because I live in a different country (Australia ) it is hard to keep up with all the posts. Many are made while I was asleep.
Reread my post and research it for yourself.To answer the replies I found/ Eico it is true some Nazies were Christians but the leaders were Atheist .
You're the one making a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you.
Can you prove that there isn't a teapot too small to be seen by a telescope orbiting around the moon? See the problem there? It's impossible to prove a negative. The burden of proof belongs to the one making a positive claim.
No, thanks.Go live like they did in the Stone Age for a year and then tell me science is wrong.
Feel free to start a thread on what you feel are the strongest pieces of evidence presented in the book and I will happily discuss it with you. I am not going to read a book simply because of a taunt.
Unfortunately, many people can call themselves Christians but not really be Christians. It is called nominal faith (Christians in name only, or CINOs). And of course it depends on one's definition of what it means to be a Christian. The Nazi leaders proved that they were not real Christians. Jesus said "You shall know the tree by its fruit."Then I hope you are having a pleasant Thursday while I am still laboring through Wednesday.
Reread my post and research it for yourself.
You're the one making a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you.
Can you prove that there isn't a teapot too small to be seen by a telescope orbiting around the moon? See the problem there? It's impossible to prove a negative. The burden of proof belongs to the one making a positive claim.
No, thanks.
When science contradicts the Bible, science is wrong.
When science does not contradict the Bible, science can be right.
When science agrees with the Bible, science is right.
but none of us is trying to convince you of anything or believe that you even can be convinced by anything other than God revealing Himself and proving to you individually so why would we waste our time presenting unconvincing evidence to you that you are just going to dismiss for one reason or another because you are not open to the possibility that there might be a God ?
I am open to the possibility of a God if compelling evidence presents itself. There is no evidence, therefore I do not think I have a good reason to believe any of it it to be true. I am open to the possibility of being wrong. Are you?
Thanks finally for the clarification. Because all truth is God's truth, I believe that someday science will catch up to the scriptures. But not today. Science is like a baby, with lots of growing to do.
Anything is possible.
If you are being honest about "compelling evidence," Jon from Minnesota, then I am praying that God provide such compelling evidence to you this week. Get back with us when it happens.
Hi Ecco,This wasn't addressed to me and is the flip side of of the question raised in the OP, however, I'd like to respond.
As the earliest humans developed language abilities they used these new found skills to pass information on from generation to generation. At some point, they started wondering about the world around them and their existence. Where do we come from? Why do good people get sick and die? What happens to us when we die?
"Where do we come from" was addressed by every culture around the world. There are thousands of creation stories, none more or less compelling than those in the OT.
God/s was used/were used to explain everything that "leaders" could not explain.
- If god (or gods) made everything, who/what made god/s? God (the gods) have always existed.
- Why do good people get sick and die? The ways of god (the gods) are indeed mysterious.
- What happens to us when we die? Good people join him in the clouds, bad people go into the fires of volcanoes.
- What causes lightning? The gods are throwing mighty spears at each other.
- Why have the rains not come? God is angry with us.
- What can we do to appease god? Slaughter a lamb / sacrifice a virgin.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Thanks for asking.
Greetings Ecco,In Numbers 31:7-18 the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they are allowed to rape as spoils of war.
From your link:
Consider:
A family of four. A woman, her husband, their 3 year old son and their 10 year old daughter.
The husband/father has already been slain
The wife/mother will be slain
The 3 year old son will be slain
What do you think is going to happen to the 10 year old daughter?
Do you believe a nice 14 year old boy is going to say “When we get older I'd like to marry you”?
Really? They have already slain all the men, all the older women, all the young boys. Are so enamored with the bible that you find it impossible to apply any critical thinking?
Of course you won't. It is the huge amount of evidence that is convincing, not a few quotes.
Greetings Oafman,There are factual inaccuracies in there which I would like to correct, and which undermine your argument, but I would risk being in breach of forum rules. We can't go into this subject I'm afraid.
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