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God tries to reveal himself to you, but is not willing to control your will to accept Him.
We do know the presence of God, we continue to get to know him better. Faith is the beginning of getting to know God.
I realize that Atheists have many in their ranks that were former believers. It's not surprising, Lucifer was a former believer, then he took himself too seriously and rebelled. A lot of former believers think their way right our of faith for various reasons. In nature not every member of the litter survives, not every acorn becomes a tree, not every child of God survives the trials of the first world. It really is entirely the choice of the individual.
That's an interesting description of how a believer becomes an atheist...you said that they "think their way out of faith". I believe that's probably an apt description...but you're not addressing the right point...
It's not unreasonable to expect that some of these atheists who were former believers also believed that they "knew" god or "communicated" with him. What do you suppose they make of those experiences now? How do you suppose they explain them?
Seems pretty relevant to the point I was making.
There is only one civilization (humanity as a whole)...and no, it did not "discover" Christianity. That is not at all what is at work here. You are obviously observing from the outside in, and you have read it entirely wrong.Can you point to a single person who was born with the knowledge of christian theology? From what I have seen, people have to taught theology. That is indoctrination.
If we were to destroy all books, all knowledge, and all memory, would christianity be rediscovered? We could rediscover all of the knowledge we have gained in biology, astronomy, geology, physics, but what about religion? Not so much.
I am not aware of a single isolated civilization who discovered christianity all on their own. Are you aware of one?
This sounds like a way God should confirm existence. Surely an omnipotent God has a way to confirm his or her's existence in a verifiable and undeniable way. Instead this alleged God seems to need to work through other people, which an omniscient being would know is not an acceptable way of confirming existence to some people. If the claims are true and this God is all powerful, then why does this God need people to defend him? Surely he can defend himself right? So why doesn't he do it? Either he can't or doesn't care to.
I'd have to ask myself and you should ask yourself this too "What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in my favor and in a way that I approve or have I made a mistake?"
There are people who believe in God's that you don't that claim a personal experience to confirm their beliefs. Which one of you has it right? You can't both me right.....you both could be wrong though.
First question i'd ask is "Which one are you?"
It's possible that there is a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in my back yard. Is it reasonable for me to believe it exists? Would it be rational for me to dig in my back yard every day looking for it? This diamond gives my life so much meaning and I don't want to live in a world where there isn't a diamond buried in my back yard. Am I being reasonable because it's possible or am I delusional?
There is only one civilization (humanity as a whole)...and no, it did not "discover" Christianity. That is not at all what is at work here. You are obviously observing from the outside in, and you have read it entirely wrong.
Christianity came about by a series of events given by God to humanity. It has been a revelation over thousands of years that does not tell all until the end, or until you come into the knowledge by being born of the spirit of God. By that same process, the physical world is dying, while the spirit kingdom is growing.
Your definition of "nonsense" describes the limits of the animal kingdom. I eat animals. As for humanity, there is a higher criteria for advancement. One must be willing to advance from a physical existence to a spiritual existence. Your choice.No offense, but all you've shared are broken syllogisms and nonsense. How does that help anyone?
I choose to advance.Your definition of "nonsense" describes the limits of the animal kingdom. I eat animals. As for humanity, there is a higher criteria for advancement. One must be willing to advance for a physical existence to a spiritual existence. Your choice.
As I said, there is only one civilization...and that is where it happened. There is nowhere else.So why didn't this revelation happen anywhere else?
Advancement means different things: Advancing the natural human species means going as far as humanly possible. But advancing the species was intended to go beyond those limits, to know no limit, to be free from the captivity of human frailty and decay, to win out over evil. And it has. One should not want to miss out.I choose to advance.
I guess that is why my parents hid from me their entire lives so I wouldn't know that they exist. Hold on, that didn't happen. My parents made their existence known my entire life time, and yet they don't control my life. Hmmm, interesting. My parents have even made the rather big claim that they created me.
No, you still get the demo. You are living it.
Sounds good. Sign me up.Advancement means different things: Advancing the natural human species means going as far as humanly possible. But advancing the species was intended to go beyond those limits, to know no limit, to be free from the captivity of human frailty and decay, to win out over evil. And it has. One should not want to miss out.
From the outside, you can see the entire thing. That's the best place to be to read what is going on.
So why didn't this revelation happen anywhere else?
What's interesting is that, for the same reason two people in love get married, they get divorced.It's not unreasonable to expect that some of these atheists who were former believers also believed that they "knew" god or "communicated" with him. What do you suppose they make of those experiences now? How do you suppose they explain them?
It would seem that one would have to think their way into faith before they would have to think their way out. If I were to describe my process of thinking my way out of faith, it would be one of tracing the footsteps I took to get into faith to begin with.
What's interesting is that, for the same reason two people in love get married, they get divorced.
Those little "quirks" that one thought were so "cute" in his/her mate, now become an irritation after the wedding.
Fascinating...did you ever communicate with god? Ever experience god in any way?
If so, what do you make of those experiences now?
When people worshipped God at one time, and reaped the benefits of that worship, how is it that suddenly they drop Him like a hot potato when science comes slithering into their theology?I'm not sure what you're getting at here AV.
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