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The order of fossils in the geological column

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I don't think there was anything slow and gentle about Noah's flood. Maybe at the very start.

The flood, wind and rain would have been a mega storm.

Indeed. But this discussion is taking place in the context of the slow, gentle Flood OWG envisions. He imagines the Flood that way because he is aware that there is no evidence for the Flood as traditionally described. Certainly not in the order of the fossil record. Feel free to argue that point; Lifepsyop gave it a shot, but he disappeared a week or more ago when things got too hard (though he may just have suddenly become too busy I suppose).
 
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Not even going to try.

I will stick with what we have in the bible as it was a one time, non-repeatable event in which we have only bits of information about.

Speculating on the details is just mere speculation when dealing with past events that can't be witnessed or reproduced again.
 
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You're not even going to attempt to support your position? How unlike you! Unfortunately for you, the only "speculation" required to debunk the Flood is the following assumption which I challenged Lifepsyop five times to critique only to be met with silence:

The assumption is that physical laws are the same now as in the past which leads to the logical conclusion that if a certain depositional environment has features A, B, C, D and E and we find strata with those same features, those strata were produced by the same physical set of forces and thus is most parsimoniously explained as having been created in that environment.

Using that uniformitarian assumption, all the sorting mechanisms he proposed to explain the fossil record fell apart. He couldn't offer a critique; can you?
 
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I wasn't going to try to support a very slow, gradual flood because the biblical description indicates it was rather violent.

You do know that only 5% of fossils ever found appear in any sort of order? The fossil record is proof positive of a world wide flood. That and the chalk cliffs, the Grand Canyon, Etc.
 
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I would love to see the evidence for this. Can you supply some?

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I've asked numerous times for evidence that they are found in order and got nothing other than a few people saying that they are not found as depicted in some science books.

The above figure was from my son's 12th grade Biology book. From scientists that are actually out in the field. Perhaps you've been misled in some way?
 
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I don't think there was anything slow and gentle about Noah's flood. Maybe at the very start.

The flood, wind and rain would have been a mega storm.

If the 40 days and nights of rain drains the atmosphere of heat, or at the very least reduces heat and pressure differences, the winds would stop, and thus wave action would be reduced significantly . So, no wind, no waves. Fits my model.

Rain drains energy from the atmosphere - physicsworld.com
 
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My tide videos are meant to show the speed of the approaching flood, not it's volume. It was like a tide that kept coming, until everything was flooded.
 
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OWG, let's bottom-line this discussion.

In your opinion:

If a torpedo carrying a 100[sup]100[/sup] gigaton super mega atomic bomb would have made a direct hit on the Ark, do you think that, when they got off the Ark, that Shem would have asked his dad:

Did you hear a "pop" the other night?

In your opinion.
 
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My pastor used to joke that he attended Seminary, where he majored in Speculation. Speculation is like 'painting by the numbers'. The bible is the numbered canvas and we get to paint in the details.
 
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Regarding divine protection, I think the ark was designed, by God, to successfully complete it's journey regardless of what happened to it.
 
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My pastor used to joke that he attended Seminary, where he majored in Speculation. Speculation is like 'painting by the numbers'. The bible is the numbered canvas and we get to paint in the details.
I'd rather paint by numbers than play connect-the-dots.
 
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I don't know, where would the ark have landed?
 
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I don't think there was anything slow and gentle about Noah's flood. Maybe at the very start.

The flood, wind and rain would have been a mega storm.
The post you responded to was in the context of OWG's slow and gentle Flood.
 
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My tide videos are meant to show the speed of the approaching flood, not it's volume. It was like a tide that kept coming, until everything was flooded.
Except that it wasn't fast at all and everything WASN'T flooded. Even the low lying sandbars weren't submerged.
 
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