The Open Question

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Do the Republicans want a campaign where the official position is that DACA kids are terrorists and illegals?

For the Democrats, they are ready.

 

[LoAmmi]

It'd play to their base.

 

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It'd play to their base.

Yes it would. I say that as part of what those on the left would call their base. Truth be told, I left the R party 12 years ago because they are not conservative.

I really like this perspective regarding DACA. I confessed that I never even saw that viewpoint until I read the article. It just may be the highest road:

A Different Perspective on DACA

 

[LoAmmi]

Yes it would. I say that as part of what those on the left would call their base. Truth be told, I left the R party 12 years ago because they are not conservative.

I really like this perspective regarding DACA. I confessed that I never even saw that viewpoint until I read the article. It just may be the highest road:

A Different Perspective on DACA

I think trying to return people to a country that they never actually knew is, well, cruel. I'm not opposed to deporting people here illegally, but when the crime was committed these people were underage and this, for better or worse, is their home now.

 

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I think trying to return people to a country that they never actually knew is, well, cruel. I'm not opposed to deporting people here illegally, but when the crime was committed these people were underage and this, for better or worse, is their home now.

I used to see it that way. I did some research and found out it is a bit more complicated. I think this is a very human story and there are individual cases to be made for some remaining. But I think every case must be justified. No blanket DACA.

 

[LoAmmi]

I used to see it that way. I did some research and found out it is a bit more complicated. I think this is a very human story and there are individual cases to be made for some remaining. But I think every case must be justified. No blanket DACA.

It's not really that much more complicated. It only is if one seeks reasons to get rid of people.

 

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It's not really that much more complicated. It only is if one seeks reasons to get rid of people.

Its complicated in that every story is different. Some deserve to stay, from a humanitarian viewpoint, and some don't. Some could be a true change for good in their home country.

 

[LoAmmi]

Its complicated in that every story is different. Some deserve to stay, from a humanistic viewpoint, and some don't. Some could be a true change for good in their home country.

If we're talking about criminals, then sure, I don't really care if we send them back. But people who have lived here in peace for 20 years or more? I don't think we should send them back. They can be an asset right here at home.

 

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If we're talking about criminals, then sure, I don't really care if we send them back. But people who have lived here in peace for 20 years or more? I don't think we should send them back. They can be an asset right here at home.

Depends on the situation. Most of the time, you are probably correct. Each and every case must be reviewed.

 

[LoAmmi]

Depends on the situation. Most of the time, you are probably correct. Each and every case must be reviewed.

and you're a fiscal conservative?

 

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If we're talking about criminals, then sure, I don't really care if we send them back. But people who have lived here in peace for 20 years or more? I don't think we should send them back. They can be an asset right here at home.

Someone on the radio this morning was recommending something like the green card thing. The advantage from a conservative point of view is along the lines of this: One DUI gets you deported.

 

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and you're a fiscal conservative?

Some things are worth the money. We're talking about individual human lives here.

 

[LoAmmi]

Someone on the radio this morning was recommending something like the green card thing. The advantage from a conservative point of view is along the lines of this: One DUI gets you deported.

See, I never understand this. Why is a DACA person with a DUI worse than a citizen with a DUI?

 

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See, I never understand this. Why is a DACA person with a DUI worse than a citizen with a DUI?

It's not that they are worse. It is that there is a simple way to deal with it. You can't deport a citizen.

 

[LoAmmi]

It's not that they are worse. It is that there is a simple way to deal with it. You can't deport a citizen.

Why does someone need to be deported for one DUI?

 

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Why does someone need to be deported for one DUI?

Because they committed one DUI.

When you are a visitor in a foreign country you have to be extra special careful. This is true even if you've spent most of your life there.

It is why it is a good reason to seek citizenship. Think of it as a motivator.

 

[LoAmmi]

Because they committed one DUI.

When you are a visitor in a foreign country you have to be extra special careful. This is true even if you've spent most of your life there.

It is why it is a good reason to seek citizenship. Think of it as a motivator.

I don't think they have a path to citizenship. You can't be motivated to do something you aren't allowed to do.

 

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I don't think they have a path to citizenship. You can't be motivated to do something you aren't allowed to do.

Why can't they? If they can't, maybe that could be the first thing to fix. But it would only apply to those brought in more than ten years ago. Sure, it's an arbitrary line, but I like to go far enough back as to not reward those that snuck in, hoping Obama was going to give them a pass.

 

[LoAmmi]

Why can't they? If they can't, maybe that could be the first thing to fix. But it would only apply to those brought in more than ten years ago. Sure, it's an arbitrary line, but I like to go far enough back as to not reward those that snuck in, hoping Obama was going to give them a pass.

Because they aren't here legally to start with, I don't believe they have a path to move forward. If I recall, even if they left to their home country, they couldn't even start the process because they weren't here legally.

 

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Because they aren't here legally to start with, I don't believe they have a path to move forward. If I recall, even if they left to their home country, they couldn't even start the process because they weren't here legally.

I wouldn't mind that change. But again, they would have had to come here at a very young age and be here quite a while. Ten years minimum. Preferably 20.

BTW, if they can't speak fluent English, fuggetaboutit. They never assimilated.