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Moral decay is based on ones opinion. Alot of people go by the bible, or there interpretation of the bible, atleast on these forums it is common.Inspired said:Well yes there needs to be some time that was an ideal, otherwise how do you measure the amount of moral decay everyone is talking about? There has to be sometime that was moral, otherwise all this about moral decay, is a big load of caca.
SUNSTONE said:Maddog where are you getting the 1 out of 5 number. Even with your source, the worst city is still 1 out of 12, which is staggering to look at.
I see your new to these forums, or at least a new name, so welcome to the forums.
SUNSTONE said:Moral decay is based on ones opinion. Alot of people go by the bible, or there interpretation of the bible, atleast on these forums it is common.
I don't like to look at it as a good time, I think now is the perfect time, because it is the present. So no matter where you are in time, just make the best out of it. If you see something you feel is wrong, then consider saying something about it. If the past helps your case, then use the past.
If "moral decay" was a set pattern, and it couldn't get any better, you would be right.Inspired said:That's not what I'm saying. Look if there is no better time, then there is no comparison to say that there is moral decay. I don't remeber the bible speaking of any perfect time on Earth either.
seeker4Christ said:I am surprised about some of the people posting here - I thought this was a Christian site - I think now it is a socially liberal Christian site - I gather here the consensus is that we should have less moral laws, not more. (I would rather like to keep the same moral laws, not have less). Some people here seem to believe that don't harm and don't steal are not moral laws - I accept that you believe that - it is significant that you believe they are not moral laws, even if they are. However for me I do not get my idea of rights from human writings such as the constitution - these are but writings of men. I thought as Christian's you would all go to the Bible for your notion of truth and rights. That is okay I am just surprised. For me the rights of a person are based on the Bible: the 6th commandment: Thou Shalt not kill. (also not harming is implied and stated in some old testament laws). and the 8th commandment: Thou Shalt not steal. These two key laws from the 10 commandments are still respected today, but not as moral laws from God and the Bible, but rather just as human rights. I suspect since the "sexual revolution", people have been obeying "Thou Shalt not commit adultery" and the related laws against fornication and homosexuality, less and less. Forget whether these laws are being enforced as human laws - regardless of the enforcement - they are being obeyed less and less. To me that is moral decay. I think TV has successfully taught people that "real love" is a quick act of passion, a one night stand, and that waiting for marriage for sex is cold and lifeless - TV has taught the opposite of the truth. I do not watch TV anymore - I haven't for years - I only catch small bits of it at other people's houses or when they put one in a office or waiting room. I often turn off waiting room TVs - I think it really improves the waiting room to have the tv off.
By this standard then it is ok to victimize children including infantacide as long as they don't have a voice (abortion) It is ok to live in incest if you wait until the family member is a consenting adult. It is ok to have prostitutes trolling our streets as long as they don't rob the johns.Edge said:Wait, what's the problem again? Last time I checked, the US was all about personal liberty, except when it infringes on the rights of others. Legislating morality has always been a pointless exercise, anyway.
I don't understand this. Countries continuously have been born and fallen for a variety of reasons. Failure to adhere to Protestant morality is certainly among the least of them.crystalpc said:Such decay brings a country into non-existence, none have survived with this type of debauchery condoned.
Yes correct 20% of all deaths are not done by murder, so statistics when looking at murder only reflect murder.SUNSTONE said:Your saying that "if" you were murdered, there is a 20% chance it is going to be by somebody you know?
Because I can tell you this for a fact, 20% of all deaths, are not done by murder.
What difference does it make if your murdered by a stranger, or by someone you know?
What about other things, like rape, stealing, and things like that? Wouldn't you consider these things into the situation?
Not all people on this site are Christian, so watch out.seeker4Christ said:I am surprised about some of the people posting here - I thought this was a Christian site - I think now it is a socially liberal Christian site - I gather here the consensus is that we should have less moral laws, not more. (I would rather like to keep the same moral laws, not have less). Some people here seem to believe that don't harm and don't steal are not moral laws - I accept that you believe that - it is significant that you believe they are not moral laws, even if they are. However for me I do not get my idea of rights from human writings such as the constitution - these are but writings of men. I thought as Christian's you would all go to the Bible for your notion of truth and rights. That is okay I am just surprised. For me the rights of a person are based on the Bible: the 6th commandment: Thou Shalt not kill. (also not harming is implied and stated in some old testament laws). and the 8th commandment: Thou Shalt not steal. These two key laws from the 10 commandments are still respected today, but not as moral laws from God and the Bible, but rather just as human rights. I suspect since the "sexual revolution", people have been obeying "Thou Shalt not commit adultery" and the related laws against fornication and homosexuality, less and less. Forget whether these laws are being enforced as human laws - regardless of the enforcement - they are being obeyed less and less. To me that is moral decay. I think TV has successfully taught people that "real love" is a quick act of passion, a one night stand, and that waiting for marriage for sex is cold and lifeless - TV has taught the opposite of the truth. I do not watch TV anymore - I haven't for years - I only catch small bits of it at other people's houses or when they put one in a office or waiting room. I often turn off waiting room TVs - I think it really improves the waiting room to have the tv off.
SUNSTONE said:But what about things that aren't against the law, like abortion, sex, tv, to name a few. I feel those play a part in the equation, I understand others may not, but thats why I think it comes down to ones opinion.
As usual, the hyperbole does you in. NO one thinks it's okay to victimize children. Street prostitution is legal in other countries, but only in bordellos in Nevada in this country.crystalpc said:By this standard then it is ok to victimize children including infantacide as long as they don't have a voice (abortion) It is ok to live in incest if you wait until the family member is a consenting adult. It is ok to have prostitutes trolling our streets as long as they don't rob the johns.
It is ok to have pornography as long as you didn't exploit children. It is ok to live in bygamy, polygamy as long as it is all consenting adults. Where does it stop. Yes we are in moral decay. Such decay brings a country into non-existence, none have survived with this type of debauchery condoned.
It wasn't me that said the 50's were better now. I pointed out what some of issues of the day were back then. If that upsets you to the point you have to be sarcastic, oh well.SUNSTONE said:Here is a little sarcasm back in your face.
You give me wife beaters, big familys, and diabetes. You can have bank robberys every 90 seconds(and thats just in LA alone), serial killers being produced at a much higher rate thanks to violent porn that suits there style, all of that free sex stuff in the 60's and 70's(i'm sure no diseases or unwanted pregnancys happened then), cocaine, crack, heroine, massive pot smoking, tv so filthy and shocking, gay highschools, aids,
How about a crack baby?
Up for a little school shootings, cause were stock pileing those as well.
Gang gun fights anyone?
Time is time, the situations aren't determined by time. Sure there was some stupid stuff then, I imagine all time has bad things every step of the way.
But the point is, you don't have to live in a bunch of different eras to know something wrong when you see it.
How could you possibly know how older movies would be rated today?seeker4Christ said:I saw a film made in the 80s recently, rated R - restricted for adults only. The only problem with it was language - today in 2004 it would have earned a PG rating - suitable for young children with parental guidance. I also saw a sequel to it rated PG-13 - if it had been rated in the 80s it would have gotten an R rating. It was worse than the earlier movie, but rated less bad. In general the rating system keeps sliding in a way that encourages younger teens and children to watch worse and worse stuff.
Both. The rating system is utterly abitrary, and always has been.Philosoft said:How could you possibly know how older movies would be rated today?
You know, I'll go you one better - I saw an old PG-13 movie recently that would have an R rating if released today. Which of our anecdotes describes the actual state-of-affairs?