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to hold to any truth is to turn it into a big fat idol with brittle feet ...
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to hold to any truth is to turn it into a big fat idol with brittle feet ...It wen
I apologize; it went over my head.
Thank you for the references.It might be helpful to read the book: The Jewish Gospels by Daniel Boyarin. Mr Boyarin is an interesting scholar and Jewish believer. He clearly has an expansive understanding of his Jewish faith in that he considers Christianity a valid sect of Judaism and yet is not a Christian. The God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob is God as testified to in the whole Bible ( for ex. Isaiah 48:12-16 compare to John 1:1, John 14:26, John 15:26).
Thank you for the explanation.to hold to any truth is to turn it into a big fat idol with brittle feet ...
The Pharisees and Essenes believed in the immortality of the soul, but the Sadducees did not."
Then the LORD God formed man of
dust from the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living being.
" (Genesis, 2:7)
It is clear from the verse above that the OT does not consider the existence of the Man's soul. The man was already formed before God breathed into his nostrils. The breath is not a soul; it was what animated the Man, like the washing machine animated by electricity, or like the Frankenstein monster animated by lightning. That explains why Judaism Originally does not believe in the afterlife.
Then why do Christians insist on holding on to such a book?
Jesus has nothing to do with the OT god.
Thank you for your participation.Jesus is the OT God. There's no such thing as OT God and NT God. He is the same, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men.
Few on many examples of the trinity in OT
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man[h] in our image, after our likeness.
Psalm 45:7 Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
Psalm 110:1
The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Zechariah 3:2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, O Satan!
It is a great mistake to ignore the OT, as the Bible is one book. Could we even believe Jesus is who He claim HE is without OT? I do not think so.
I believe in the afterlife. I believe every word came out of the mouth of Jesus, our God.The Pharisees and Essenes believed in the immortality of the soul, but the Sadducees did not.
The bible is the word of God ..... it's not a system .... there have always been systems that man has formed and teach different things.
The bible is about relationships (with God/with mankind) ... not systems.
Mankind gets things wrong throughout history .... that is one of the reasons why Jesus came to earth ... to get the truth out .... about who God really is .... that is to correct false beliefs ... misinterpretation of scripture. Understanding that there is nothing immortal about us is important to be understood .... it protects us from going into false belief systems ... that then leads to other false beliefs ... ie the torture chamber of God "burning people" ..... good grief!! Terrible teaching. Talking with the dead? Praying for the dead? The dead know nothing.
There indeed were a few that have been taken to heaven ... but for the masses ... no .... they are dormant in the grave until the return of Jesus.
HIs word is clear .... all are subject to death .... 2 deaths .... the first (earthly death) is temporal for all, the 2nd death is for eternity.
The Bible teaches death as sleep .... why? because all will be resurrected one day (all are in a temporal dormant state) ... one group (the first group will be resurrected to eternal life (existing for eternity)... the other group will die the 2nd death (non existence) for eternity.
It's not difficult to understand ... and yes the bible teaches all who die earthly death are in a dormant condition until resurrections.
Jesus taught death was a "sleep" ... believe Him.
We don't disregard the bible .... we disregard false teachings/false interpretations of it.
Thank you for your participation.
I don't read it the way you see it."
Then the LORD God formed man of
dust from the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living being.
" (Genesis, 2:7)
It is clear from the verse above that the OT does not consider the existence of the Man's soul. The man was already formed before God breathed into his nostrils. The breath is not a soul; it was what animated the Man, like the washing machine animated by electricity, or like the Frankenstein monster animated by lightning. That explains why Judaism Originally does not believe in the afterlife.
Then why do Christians insist on holding on to such a book?
God breathed His Holy Spirit into them. This is the breath of life. Then it was taken away by sin when they were deceived and fell from grace. They were formed with a soul, intellect, then God breathed His Spirit into them. This is the connection between man and God which was severed by sin then ultimately returned through our Savior, Jesus Christ of Nazareth if one believes."
Then the LORD God formed man of
dust from the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living being.
" (Genesis, 2:7)
It is clear from the verse above that the OT does not consider the existence of the Man's soul. The man was already formed before God breathed into his nostrils. The breath is not a soul; it was what animated the Man, like the washing machine animated by electricity, or like the Frankenstein monster animated by lightning. That explains why Judaism Originally does not believe in the afterlife.
Then why do Christians insist on holding on to such a book?
But God was referred to as Father in the OT.the god of the old testament is not our Father, but mans perception of Him ... or as Jesus put it "All who came before Me were thieves and robbers,"
none the less the old testament is as inspired by Him as the new ...
What is present is the body, the spirit, and the soul. In that text. All three elements are present. The text says the dirt became something else other than what it was. It's not just dirt anymore. It was something new."
Then the LORD God formed man of
dust from the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living being.
" (Genesis, 2:7)
It is clear from the verse above that the OT does not consider the existence of the Man's soul. The man was already formed before God breathed into his nostrils. The breath is not a soul; it was what animated the Man, like the washing machine animated by electricity, or like the Frankenstein monster animated by lightning. That explains why Judaism Originally does not believe in the afterlife.
Then why do Christians insist on holding on to such a book?
I don't read it the way you see it.
The entrance of the spirit, the breath of life from God, contacted the body and the result was
that man became a living soul. Two things came together and the result was "man became a living soul."
Other Old Testament passages portray the soul as something a person possesses.
And he stretched himself upon the child three times and cried to Jehovah and said, Jehovah, my God, I beg You, let this child’s soul come into him again! (1 Kings 17:21)
The immaterial part of Samuel God allowed to come up from the realm of the dead. Five times this deceased person was called "Samuel."
(1 Sam. 28). And this was after Samuel had died and been buried (1 Sam. 25:1).
If Samuel's physical body had been buried yet he came up from Sheol, that must have been his immaterial part.
The soul is the best explanation. Perhaps the soul and the spirit of Samuel is the explanation.
But as the revelation of God's full salvation is progressively revealed, simultaneously the fuller revelation of the nature of man
is also unveiled. So I do not expect the Old Testament to be a clear on "spirit and soul and body" (1 Thess. 5:23) as the New Testament is.
Nothing as clear as many passages from the mouth of Jesus and the apostles occurs in the OT.
That is to be understood as many things were not made so completely known in the OT
yet were revealed to the new covenant apostles and prophets.
The mystery which has been hidden from the ages and from the generations but now has been manifested to His saints; (Col. 1:26)
you can perceive my understanding in the mystery of Christ,
Which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men,
as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets . . . (Eph. 3:4b,5)
. . . my gospel, that is, the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which has been kept in silence in the times of the ages (Rom. 16:25b)
You are the first person other than myself that I've ever seen say thatBut God was referred to as Father in the OT.
Though since the resurrection of Christ, Father takes on a deeper meaning as not just Creator
but begetting divine life imparting Father.
Here are some OT passages saying Yahweh or Jehovah was the Father of Israel.
For You are our Father, / Since Abraham does not know us, / And Israel does not acknowledge us. / You, Jehovah, are our Father; / Our Redeemer from eternity is Your name. (Isa. 63:16)
But now, Jehovah, You are our Father; / We are the clay; and You, our Potter; / And all of us are the work of Your hand. (Isa. 64:8)
A son honors his father, and a servant his lord. Therefore if I am a Father, where is My honor? (Mal. 1:6)
Adam, the first created man is called "son of God" indicating he came directly from God's creating hand his "Father."
The son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. (Luke 3:38)
But Jesus said Scripture cannot be broken. So if you only believe what comes from His mouth,I believe that OT was written over a long period of time. During that period they added things; removed things; and they changed things. I don't believe OT is the word of God. The only words of God were those that came out of the mouth of Jesus in the Gospels.
If you believe what came from the mouth of Jesus then you should realize He taught the OT testified of Him.Jesus has nothing to do with the OT god.
No we don't.We need to get rid of the old (OT.)
I think if you continue to read the New Testament eventually your heart will be opened to ALL of the word of God.But no one puts a patch of unshrunk
cloth on an old garment; for the patch
pulls away from the garment, and a
worse tear results.
" (Matthew, 9:16)
You are wrongly seizing upon some words of Jesus to push your own dislike for many righteous OT people.I love this verse. I believe in this verse to the letters.
You believe that Jesus is a king (Messiah) and that OT testifies to that belief. I don't have that problem. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and God in the flesh, but I don't believe he is a king.
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