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The office of the priest

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E.C.

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That is quite true.

In the Divine Liturgy we have many litanies giving thanks to God for all things.

But a Methodist or Nazarene elder, a Lutheran pastor, or an Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox priest are occupying precisely the same job -- the one defined by presbyterios in Scripture.
I have to disagree here.

An Orthodox priest is to lead the people in his church. He is to hear their confessions and is accountable for them and many other things.

Accountability. Now that is what separates an Orthodox priest from, say, (to pick on the Nazarenes a bit) a Nazarene elder. An Orthodox priest hears the confessions of his flock within the parish church. They do not confess to him, but they confess to God and the priest hears their confession. At the beginning of confession their is a prayer that is said. I can not recall it word for word, but it is to the effect of "You are confessing to God. I the priest am here just to be a witness. Withhold nothing because doing so would be a greater sin". Thus, the priest is just a witness to the confession.
This is very important to stress because the priest is accountable for the spiritual health of those in his church. On the last day, he will be held accountable for those souls that were under his care because he is a leader. There have been some occassional priests who have not done their job well and thus the result is a loss of faith. Those priests shall be held accountable by God, they truly shall.

That is not so in the Protestant way of life.

Already have as indicated in the tail of my quote.
i'll not be institutionalized like the rest of you.
I'll walk in HIS way note Pope whoevers!
We have a pope? What's a pope?
 
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To answer with the Anglican position, we do not as a rule define in detail what we mean by a term, but let our liturgies convey our theology. Therefore, here is the Rite One (traditional) Prayer of Consecration from the Holy Eucharist, with the references to sacrifice bolded:


One sacrifice. Completed, on the Cross. Participated in through His holy meal, instituted by Him.
 
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i'd disagree dear sis, Jesus the Christ was quite clear in His admonishing.
You have the right to disagree. Jesus was specific in what he said, Call no man father. We see Paul calling himself father.

Unless..........the title Father is forbidden, but referring oneself as a father (father figure, or spirtual father) is a different thing.
I will revisit that.
 
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It is a title issue, read in context you will see that clearly. I agree people can disagree but keep in mind there is only ONE truth.
We should certainly be inclined to lean on the truth of scripture first and foremost.
 
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It is a title issue, read in context you will see that clearly. I agree people can disagree but keep in mind there is only ONE truth.
We should certainly be inclined to lean on the truth of scripture first and foremost.
Thanks Simon.
Even though I have been out of the catholic church for a quite a while, I had a lifetime of being fed things that I still need to go over.
 
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whose the shenouda character..No disrespect intended.

Shenouda is the Coptic (Oriental Orfthodox) Patriarch of Alexandria, for whom "Pope" is a proper honorific. He's not even in communion with OrthodoxyUSA's church.

However, he is like any other Orthodox patriarch, he's the bishop of his diocese and has some sort of moral and teaching authority, but no real order-giving authority, over the rest of the Egyptian Coptic Church. Contrast this with Benedict XVI, who can appareently tell Catholics how they should vote. (See OBOB discussions on this, in case I'm misrepresenting their position.)
 
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Thanks Simon.
Even though I have been out of the catholic church for a quite a while, I had a lifetime of being fed things that I still need to go over.
I understand and respect this...I came from the Lutheran Missouri Synod and it took me a long while to cleanse myself from church taught things to a renewing of the mind and a clear vision of Jesus the Christ without my LCMS presupposed lenses. Your desire and search for truth will be on my prayer list.
 
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since he was telling them how to vote it is to sad they would not listen.
 
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1. In the NT, there is no office of priest. The only time that's mentioned in the NT is in reference to Christ who is the High Priest and to all Christians.



Pax


- Josiah




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Num. 16:1-35 - Korah incited a "protestant" rebellion against God's chosen Moses in an effort to confuse the distinction between the ministerial and universal offices of priesthood, and Korah and his followers perished. This effort to blind the distinctions between the priests and the laity is still pursued by dissidents today.
 
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Like I've been saying in a number of threads around here ...

The OT Levitical priesthood is not the model for the NT believer in the High Priest Jesus Christ of the tribe of Judah of the Melchizedek priesthood.

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

That ain't Levi of whom we're speaking.
 
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The OT Levitical priesthood is not the model for the NT believer in the High Priest Jesus Christ of the tribe of Judah of the Melchizedek priesthood.


Nobody claimed that it was. (He's a pretty strawman though.)

Forgive me...
 
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with the office of the Priest some believe they are to be single also. This has always made me wonder since in the early part of the church there were married popes..

That's not a belief even for the Catholics, Mama. It's a Law of the Church, not God's doing but the church hierarchy's -- and they can change it if they see fit. Benedict XVI could announce it's no longer binding tomorrow if he so chose. It was originally adopted to keep married priests from leaving their pastorates to their sons, who may not have been good priests. (Biblical analogy: Eli's sons in I Samuel.) It's kept for the same reason that "preacher's kid" is a running joke in Protestant circles -- it's really difficult for a clergyman to balance the demands of his church family and his own marital family. But there are tons of married Catholic priests -- in the Eastern Rites, married clergymen who convert... And Orthodox and Anglican priests are normally married unless they're under monastic vows (common in Orthodoxy, rare but existent in Anglicanism).
 
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QFT!

Forgive me...
 
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Contrast this with Benedict XVI, who can appareently tell Catholics how they should vote. (See OBOB discussions on this, in case I'm misrepresenting their position.)
The clergy guides the laity at all times. They do not want them to sin nor cause others to sin. Nor cause harm to anyone.
A vote is a powerful tool, with it someone is elected to power and with that laws can be made or undone.
To instruct someone not to vote for someone because they support certain issues is a moral obligation of a clergyman in any denomination, they have the duty to do so, IMO.
Their job is to pastor the faithful to live a moral life in all areas of their lives.
 
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There is even one married Catholic Priest who is a converted Southern Baptist Minister. I read about him on a blog a few months ago. It's not just for Anglicans.

Clerical Whispers: Married, ex-Baptist minister to become Catholic priest

"He'll make a great priest," said Joe Kleine-Kracht, a former parish council president at St. Barnabas, who said Harris' preaching style is "almost revival like."
"He was really big on spreading the word and telling us as Catholics we need to make sure we're spreading the word," he said.
 
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I agree.

Forgive me...
 
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