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This is my interpretation of Revelation 13:18 NIV

This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.

So the number 666 is only used one other time in scripture in reference to the weight of gold king Solomon received yearly (1 kings 10:14). So, I think the beast will be a wealthy man.

Colossians 3:5 says greed is idolatry, which means he could deny Jesus by worshipping money.

Then, because this does not necessarily tie him to any one religion, he will probably come from a western or democratic region. Because, let's face it, if the world adopted a democratic government, it would start to resemble Sodom and Gomorrah before you know it (Luke 17:28-30).

however ...

1 Samuel 17:4-7 ... the challenge of Goliath ... And there went out a chapion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. And he had a helmet of brass upon his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail; and the weight of the coat was fivwe thousand shekels of brass.And he had greaves of brass between his shoulders. And the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam; and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron: and one bearing a shield went before him.

Daniel 3:1 ... Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadeth thereof six cubits; he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

Revelation 13:18 ... the second beast ... Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

the common denominator of these three men is that all 3 stood out as avowed enemy of God and His people ... and each has been branded with the number 6 ...

many thousands of Greek words used in the NT have been counted ... the last i heard there were only 5 that have been discovered which have the number 666 hidden behind them ...

example ... the storm where Jesus is asleep in the boat in Galilee when it suddenly storms ... the story is told in Matthew, Mark, and Luke ... tho the wording is different in each acct, in the despairing cry of 3 different disciples is the same word apollumetha ... i.e. 'we perish' ... occurs in each gospel ... and the number behind it is 666 ...

1. the boat being slowly filled with water ... a type of the world ... the church is intended to be in the world, the dame way the ship is in the sea ... as it's dangerous to let water get into the ship, it's dangerous when the world gets into the church ...

2. the word tradition ... 'paradosis' ... occuring 13 x ... the first in Matthew 15:2,3,6 ...

3. the word side ... 'pleuran ... used 5 times ... first in John 19:34 ... the word 'pleura' is alwaysused in the accusative case, 'pleuron' ... it adds up to 666 ... also in John 20:20,25,27 ...

4. wealth ... 'euporia' ... only occurs once ... Acts 19:25 ... 'sir, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth' ... it has God's 666 stamp on it because of the worship of graven image ...

5. found in 1 Peter 1:1 ... scattered ... 'diasporas' ... that particular letter is thus addressed to the scattered saints of God ... it's stamped with 666 because the true church of God would be persecuted and scattered down all the centuries by those who loved the ways of the world ... traditions, sacrifice of the mass, wealth, image worship, etc ... they chose these over Him ...
 
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the 'unholy trinity' referred to in another post ...

Revelation 16:13 ... the vials of wrath ... And I saw the unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

666 = 6 seal, 6 trump, 6 vial ... false Christ

777 = 7 seal, 7 trump, 7 vial ... Christ
that's what I believed as well
and while yeshuasavedme and I do not agree on end time prophesy
what is posted next seems to be bang on.
the video is really worth the watch

 
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however ...

However? I think what you said is totally awesome and builds upon what I said in the OP.

You lose me a little bit at the end because I don't think that understanding scripture is as complicated as knowing the original numerical value of a letter or word or whatever.

But, the scriptural connection to Goliath and Nebachadnezzar and the number of the beast is awesome.

In particular, about Goliath and how the people were all afraid of him, which makes me wonder if people will follow the beast out of some measure of fear.

Which makes me wonder if 1 John 4:19 is like the antidote to following the beast.

"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love (1John 4:19 NIV)."

So, if you are perfected in love, you will not succumb to fear and pass the test. So cool. :)
 
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that's what I believed as well
and while yeshuasavedme and I do not agree on end time prophesy
what is posted next seems to be bang on.
the video is really worth the watch

thank you, zeke ... this is quite interesting ... will for sure watch it a few more times ...

i guess first i have some questions ...

in you mind, does that change the order of His coming? ... iow, do you now think He comes first? ... or, if it changes something else for you, what is it?

do you think we should see things 'in the Spirit' or 'in the flesh' ? or both ... i think what i'm trying to say is what about worshipping Him in the Spirit and the Truth? do you apply it here? ... if so, how? ...

when i watched the video one of the things that stuck out to me is the arm and the head ... and i'm back to who you worship and who you serve is how you'll know (in the Spirit ... and in the flesh) ... do you see it that way? or do you see it the way of the video? or both? did you feel the same after the video?

i found it very interesting and definitely worth the watch... even more than once ... i'm just not sure yet whether it changes anything i believed before i watched it ... it might, i just don't see it yet if it does ... the reason i wonder is i usually know the answer to that immediately ... here i didn't ...
 
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However? I think what you said is totally awesome and builds upon what I said in the OP.

You lose me a little bit at the end because I don't think that understanding scripture is as complicated as knowing the original numerical value of a letter or word or whatever.

But, the scriptural connection to Goliath and Nebachadnezzar and the number of the beast is awesome.

In particular, about Goliath and how the people were all afraid of him, which makes me wonder if people will follow the beast out of some measure of fear.

Which makes me wonder if 1 John 4:19 is like the antidote to following the beast.

"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love (1John 4:19 NIV)."

So, if you are perfected in love, you will not succumb to fear and pass the test. So cool. :)

ty ... i chuckled a little when i saw you 'whatever?' i did do that ... but didn't realize i left it ... it's a method i use to sort things out ... oops

well, i for sure believe fear is a huge factor ... :D i.e. one has to overcome fear to believe we won't be here for the big showdown ... fear renders faith useless ... to a degree ... in it renders one unable to inact our faith ... i think that's what i'm trying to say ...

i would agree whole-heartedly it shouldn't be that hard ... which was actually what prompted me to point ... there are so many things we could factor or not factor ... for me the bigger issue is being ready for whatever is coming ... and there just can't be a door for fear ... not if we trust His ability to keep us from the wrath poured onto the world ... and it takes faith to believe it will go on around us ... one said they are tired of being persecuted for believing in the rapture ... should try these shoes ... like we're masochists or something ... i know my God will get me through according to what He knows i can handle ... or however He goes about His business ... for me it's about being worthy to be trusted during this time in history ... or any other, for that matter ... if i haven't met the enemy face to face in my life, then i sure came close ... it's been a long life ... i'll gladly stand with the Lord against the one who assaults my family day and night ... there can't be room for fear ... and there isn't ... oh, trust me, i'd shake like a milkshake machine ... but i'd like to think i could stand if He thought i could ... He didn't bring us to this time in history to allow us, in the huge moment it is, to not be here when so many in history did not have that choice ... and suffered some very real things ... i don't know a lot, but i do know i just can't see a pre-trib rapture ... and you know what ... if i'm wrong, He knows my heart's intent' and will fix it ...

so all that said ... when i read your posts sometimes i'm undecided where you stand on it ... but i don't worry about it ... i just try to throw out info where i can ... :blush: and 'stay out of trouble' i have a bit of an attitude when it comes to mudslinging and bashing ... working on that ... the things i posted here i felt were things to be considered ... i don't believe we should go around doing Grematria sp? ... but there is an order to scripture numbers ... and it's prudent to investigate them ... all of which is just my opinion ... which i feel is at the least, a part of the picture ...

and i do believe fear will be a tool ... but not in the beginning ... how can one act like Christ while going around beheading people ... not in my book ... it won't get ugly until he believes there will be no stopping him ... about mid-point ... but i believe it is all of the deadly sins ... not just fear ... greed and lust will play a HUGE factor ... as they already do when one looks around the world ... all the deadly sins lead to the path of destruction ... and they all feed the beast ...

this person feels it would be useful to focus on who fits the bill ... rather than who it is ... especially by numbers ... don't need a number to tell a Christian who is not of the Lord ... it's like night ... and Light ...

one thing can be sure ... if we're still in the flesh ... then it isn't Christ ...
 
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Time Watcher said in post 18:

Matthew 24 is all about Israel in the same period an is not directed toward today's church

Matthew 24 refers to the future tribulation, by which time the church will have existed for some 2,000 years. The saints who will be in the tribulation will be the church, for they will be believers in Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 7:9,14, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), and now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6). Those in the church who will be in the tribulation could include most of the believers alive today, for there will be no pre-tribulation rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Matthew 24:29-31).

Also, Matthew 24 was addressed privately to only believers (Matthew 24:3,4,9), and in Jesus' mind all believers of all times are one (John 17:20-21, Ephesians 4:4-6). The entire book of Revelation was likewise addressed to only believers (Revelation 1:1-4, Revelation 22:16). Just as the (mistaken) pre-tribulation-rapture view admits that, for example, John 14 and Matthew 24's parallel chapter of Luke 21 can apply to those in the church today (e.g. Luke 21:36, John 14:3), so the pre-tribulation-rapture view should be able to admit that Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 18 can apply to those in the church today.

Time Watcher said in post 18:

Matthew 24 is all about Israel in the same period an is not directed toward today's church

All genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), and the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).

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The core amd ancient issue between Isaac amd Jacob vs Ishmael and Esau will be the back drop and focus of the tribulation period .... Israel vs the Mulsims

Both descendants of Abraham .... and there will be a winner in this conflice

God's Son Jesus Christ will be the leader of the first .... and Satan's beast will be the pied piper of the other

The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms that Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), whereas the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms that Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms that no man can be God, whereas the Antichrist will say that he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

The beast which comes up out of the earth (Revelation 13:11-16) represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a (secretly apostate) pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What's more important than this?"

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "a Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, a pope could come to hold high positions of power in two religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the two horns of the False Prophet lamb (Revelation 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Revelation 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Revelation 19:12). The False Prophet could even say that he is Jesus. (But he won't say that he's Christ, for the False Prophet and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7.)

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).
 
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The Muslims will "go wild" .... even more than they are today

.... do you know what the Lord has said about the same .... these of Ishmael [Genesis 16:12] and Esau who contend with Issac and Jacob [Israel]

Watch them today on your TV .... terrorism, God has no Son they say, infighting with their own kind, constant threats toward Israel, mass hysteria, etc

Satan's beast and associates will not have to change anything

"Allah" is a cover name for the devil himself who has cultured the Muslims of the Middle East to believe a lie .... a big one [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

There is no "Allah" .... this pagan deity does not even exist and never did

The concept works well for the devil .... he has already duped the Islamic masses into their stupor .... they are ready to receive him
 
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thank you, zeke ... this is quite interesting ... will for sure watch it a few more times ...

i guess first i have some questions ...

in you mind, does that change the order of His coming? ... iow, do you now think He comes first? ... or, if it changes something else for you, what is it?
oh, sorry if I gave u that impression
i'm still a strong post tribber

I just think the video explains what I have down to(for me)
one of the two possibilities for the mark.

it makes a lot of sense.
but I have to deceide whether or not to take his word for it,
because I don't read Arabic

very interesting, something my pastor never mentioned.

do you think we should see things 'in the Spirit' or 'in the flesh' ? or both ... i think what i'm trying to say is what about worshipping Him in the Spirit and the Truth? do you apply it here? ... if so, how? ...
ya could be.
we worship God in Spirit, and others try to do deeds to get in.
I still have to connect the mark
to the same kind of spiritual mark held by Israel
in Ex13, Deut6 and Deut 11

so im not sure where I am at with it all yet

when i watched the video one of the things that stuck out to me is the arm and the head ... and i'm back to who you worship and who you serve is how you'll know (in the Spirit ... and in the flesh) ... do you see it that way? or do you see it the way of the video? or both? did you feel the same after the video?
well, the Lord's mark is spiritual, not literal.
so I always assumed the mark of the beast would be spiritual too
if this Muslim badge is the mark, then it is the physical part of it
and the people wearing it obv display the spiritual side of it

i found it very interesting and definitely worth the watch... even more than once ... i'm just not sure yet whether it changes anything i believed before i watched it ... it might, i just don't see it yet if it does ... the reason i wonder is i usually know the answer to that immediately ... here i didn't ...
ya me either. it's on my self! :cool:
 
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oh, sorry if I gave u that impression
i'm still a strong post tribber

no, i knew you weren't ... i enjoy your posts because i believe you are one who has seriously taken time on this ... not that others haven't ... but i see you willing to change your view, if you feel the necessity ... that is a sign to me of someone who seriously wants to learn ... just not be right ... i've been meaning to ask you for some time for THE verse you think i should start with to try to understand the post-trib view ... or a general guideline ... have spent endless time on the pre-trib view and know i don't believe that ... am interested to understand the post-trib view equally as well ... i also see our views are very similar ... and that somewhere yours takes a different road than mine ... want to understand how you got there ...

I just think the video explains what I have down to(for me)
one of the two possibilities for the mark.

so, then you believe there will be an actual mark?

it makes a lot of sense.
but I have to deceide whether or not to take his word for it,
because I don't read Arabic

true ... and that's not easy for someone who follows the Lord ... who says follow Him ...

very interesting, something my pastor never mentioned.

i've never heard it before, either ... i'm churchless at the moment due to a change in pastor after 20 some years ... a pastor who doesn't see things the way most of the church did ... it split the church ... and it left many empty ... anyway ... no pastor to ask at the moment ...


ya could be.
we worship God in Spirit, and others try to do deeds to get in.
I still have to connect the mark
to the same kind of spiritual mark held by Israel
in Ex13, Deut6 and Deut 11

i agree ... it has to connect ... i don't see a physical mark ... not saying there isn't one ... just don't see it ... would like a scripture or two to point me that direction, as well ...

so im not sure where I am at with it all yet

me, either


well, the Lord's mark is spiritual, not literal.
so I always assumed the mark of the beast would be spiritual too
if this Muslim badge is the mark, then it is the physical part of it
and the people wearing it obv display the spiritual side of it

okay ...

ya me either. it's on my self! :cool:

for sure :cool:

ty, for helping me with all this ... it's much appreciated ...
 
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The Muslims will "go wild" .... even more than they are today

.... do you know what the Lord has said about the same .... these of Ishmael [Genesis 16:12] and Esau who contend with Issac and Jacob [Israel]

Watch them today on your TV .... terrorism, God has no Son they say, infighting with their own kind, constant threats toward Israel, mass hysteria, etc

Satan's beast and associates will not have to change anything

"Allah" is a cover name for the devil himself who has cultured the Muslims of the Middle East to believe a lie .... a big one [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

There is no "Allah" .... this pagan deity does not even exist and never did

The concept works well for the devil .... he has already duped the Islamic masses into their stupor .... they are ready to receive him
Well said.
 
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I still have to connect the mark
to the same kind of spiritual mark held by Israel
in Ex13, Deut6 and Deut 11

Note that Exodus 13:9 (like Deuteronomy 6:8 and Deuteronomy 11:18) doesn't contradict the fact that the mark of the beast (Revelation 13:16) could be a literal, visible mark, applied via scarification. Similarly, Exodus 13:9 doesn't contradict the fact that the forbidden "cuttings" in Leviticus 19:28 and Leviticus 21:5b could have been literal, visible marks, applied via scarification. And the "cuttings" on the hands in Jeremiah 48:37 could have referred to scarification marks. And the marks of the Lord Jesus on Paul's body (Galatians 6:17) were literal, visible marks. i.e. scars from persecution. And the future mark of God's name on obedient believers (Revelation 22:4, Revelation 3:12) could be a literal, visible mark (miraculously "written" on them).

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The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people, so they can easily tell (in every situation, even one without electricity) whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will be visible also because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma, G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (i.e. the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what had been shown just previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they're loyal worshippers of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Luciferians today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hand of some people and on the forehead of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark won't be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17), and they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image, for those who agree to do those things (even if they're Christians) will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), whereas those Christians who refuse to do those things, even though they will be beheaded, will subsequently be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient church of all times) at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death, their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palm (cf. also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their forehead, thinking (mistakenly) that they're fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one to cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus returned (but he won't say that he's the Christ, for he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people, it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the 6th letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it's transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it's not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will employ to burn up the cities of the world at the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16,17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many web addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (i.e. they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Lucifer will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist placing his "brand" on everything, like a rancher places his "brand" on all his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 isn't fulfilled by some web addresses having "WWW", nor by some products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes, for Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism. The Antichrist will be both a Luciferian, a worshipper of Lucifer/Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist won't pretend that he's YHWH, just as he won't pretend that he's Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being the Christ.
 
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The number of a man is mistranslated to 666, it is in fact 616.

616 is the number of a man, because a man thinks, then waits, then thinks again (six is a number for thought, one is a number for waiting).

The misconception is to think that the antichrist has some sort of pattern lead agenda, that is antichristian.

The truth is, he is simply a man who does not think of God separately from himself.

The name is Tammuz, and has always been Tammuz.

Revelation was pointing to the 6th hour, on the 6th day, in the 6th month in the 6th year when Jerusalem will be searched with lamps.

The great multitudes die for following Tammuz, or should I say,'' The resurrected Nimrod, builder and king, and Messiah of Babylon to who Christians keep traditions of this supposed Messiah.
 
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so all that said ... when i read your posts sometimes i'm undecided where you stand on it...

and i do believe fear will be a tool ... but not in the beginning ... how can one act like Christ while going around beheading people ... not in my book ... it won't get ugly until he believes there will be no stopping him ... about mid-point ... but i believe it is all of the deadly sins ... not just fear ... greed and lust will play a HUGE factor ... as they already do when one looks around the world ... all the deadly sins lead to the path of destruction ... and they all feed the beast ...
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First, I want to say that I really love how you share your thoughts on the subject. I can see that you speak in love. :) I do think that I have a unique stance on the subject of prophecy. I was saved in the year 2000 and have only ever seen division in the church, so I decided early on to keep things simple. I remember reading 1 Corinthians 1:13 NIV "Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul?" and I decided for myself that I only needed to follow Jesus not denomination or prophetic theory.

Since this time I have read through the scriptures completely about 9 times now. I completed two 90 day read through the bible studies and those have been the greatest benefit to my understanding. I am also in recovery from the effects of child abuse and feel that this verse best describes me.

"At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do (Matthew 11:25-26 NIV)"

I am like the child whom God reveals hidden things. I believe that He does this to heal my broken heart and give me a new identity that is separate from my identity as a victim of child abuse. I don't like to necessarily label myself other than as a believer in Jesus because I think labeling prevents my ability to grow and change and mature.

There was a bible study that I took a while back with Beth Moore, Pricilla Shirer, and Kay Arthur called Faithful, Abundant, and True. During the time that Beth Moore talked she said something that stuck with me. She said, "we can know so much more than we know."

So, ideally, the church is a building and we are building upon the study of our forefathers. Unfortunately, secularization has prevented many from coming into maturity in order to discern what is taking place and we are becoming greatly disadvantaged in our ability to discern light and dark. So, instead of building, we are arguing, and greater divisions are taking place, and people desperate for relief or peace are adopting false teaching to find relief.

I think this plays into how the man with a number will come into power. Sure, scripture says that he does not rule with a rod at first. But, even if he didn't rule with the rod, he would still be hindered by a person's free will.

In a world with political parties and land divisions and religions, how does one unify a mass of people naturally inclined to divide themselves by their own free will, if it were not that the true deception of the beast is to take their free will. Get them to think they are making a decision for themselves not realizing that the decision has been made for them through years of grooming and manipulation.

This deception of the devil to take a man's free will and make him a willing slave to the beast is like a yeast in the world today. It is in everything. In particular our schools, but it would seem that the church today is offended by the idea that they could be deceived so many would reject what, for example, Charlotte Iserbyt has to say on the subject. This was a fantastic interview. Charlotte Iserbyt: The Miseducation of America Part 1-Full - YouTube It is a little long. It you get a chance to watch it, I would highly recommend. May God bless everyone today with greater discernment.
 
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Alex Jones?

Don't follow this man's conspiracy theories and any who do

He is a tabloid spinner

You have a Bible ..... study it and ask Jesus Christ to guide you in your learning .... this is possible

If you get your information from worldly people .... you will get worldly information

Some people are just to smart for their own bad .... and they do think so

There is no conspiracy to create a "new world order" ..... and the scriptures of the Bible do not support this junk .... in fact, the biblical picture is one of coming world disorder

People who use the Lord's Word to support their own political ambitions should never be entertained

And this video is ridiculous ..... all hobgoblin, human folly, and with no substance of truth
 
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I would strongly object to your criticisms and would appreciate you using your vast biblical discernment to actually apply it to listening to what Charolette has to say and not Alex Jones.

You would do well to also mind your manners when talking to others too. I am a smart girl and I have read the Bible. I am able to think for myself and weigh what they are saying according to what I have gained from my study.

Your comment is completely presumptuous. Presumption is as idolatry (1 Samuel 15:23)

May i also suggest reading the classic book, "How To Win Friends and Influence People," by Dale Carnegie.

I can assure you that your constant blast of superiority is not going to make you many friends.
 
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I am not here to win friends and influence people .... but to teach the prophetic scriptures .... and when this is done correctly many will be offended

And I have to tell you that if you are a follower of the conspiracy buffs who throw a little Bible in with their wild stories .... like Alex Jones .... you will believe anything

Just saying to you don't waste your time .... life is too short

Study the Lord's Word and tell others what you have discovered
 
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No what is offensive is your attitude of superiority. You can chalk it up that it is that people don't want to hear what you are preaching, but the truth is that you are just on a soapbox and not engaging anyone to learn from what you are saying. I mentioned in my post I have read the bible many times. I am very well versed. Your comment showing such disrespect towards my study is what is so offensive. Is what reading his book would help u with.

I said God reveals things to me to heal me. A very easy way of communicating your difference of opinion without offending might look like this.

"Praise God for healing you with understanding from your personal study..." very simple. I would not be as offended. This is why you should read this book instead of arrogantly presuming people aren't listening to your wisdom.

I know that Alex Jones is sensational because one very important reason. He does not illustrate that our hope is in the Lord. That is called using my own discernment. Like duh. I also I don't feel that there isn't truth to all that is considered a conspiracy theory. People are sometimes confused by feelings of hurt and anger that can cause assumptions, but God wants to save all people so I will continue to listen to them in order to help them. Because many speak of various abuses and abuse is often denied by others. The church still teeters over whether a woman can leave her husband if he beats her, how many more abuses are present that we hide from. What if they are trying to find help? What if they are looking for a balm and we are ignoring them in ignorance? Charlotte, the woman being interviewed is being interviewed because she is the author of the book The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, which is a very researched book on the subject of the American school system by a very intelligent older woman. Alex Jones does conduct the interview but he doesn't talk. So before you prejudge maybe u should use your fancy gift of prophecy to actually provide a rebuttal to what she is saying that is intelligent.
 
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