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The number 666, where does it come from?

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The mark is spiritual just like God's seal upon our forehead, selah!

[Staff edit]. Your answer doesn't explain why the 666 number is significant to the beast and the false prophet. What you are not getting is that the beast and the false prophet are requiring the number, the name, or the mark. It has some significance to them, to elevate the beast.

It is more likely that the six hundred, three score, and six are the numerical value of the letters of beast's name- in tetragammaton like form - as the YHWH is for God's personal name.

If so, it appears that two of the letters would have to be S (60) and V (6).

The person early on before he even becomes the little horn is into Kabbalah, because he is Jewish and Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism, and in Daniel 8:24, it says that he is successful but not by his own power. So that is probably why the number of his name is important to the beast because it has something to do with power in the occult.
 
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Is the Antichrist and Number 666 in Hebrew Nero(n)?
REVELATION.13: = 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

Computer chip implants(cci) that will replace credit & debit cards and cash will likely fit the bill.

Cci will have a series of three 6-digit numbers(= xxxxxx-yyyyyy-zzzzzz = 6-6-6 = an 18-digit number) in order to be able to mathematically differentiate between every individual in the world population of about 7,000,000,000 individuals(= a 10-digit number).

xxxxxx could be your birthdate,
yyyyyy could be your Social Security or National ID number,
zzzzzz could be your PIN.
....... Mathematically, no 2 individuals on the earth/world will have the same cci number.

REV.14:9-11 states that those who receive the "mark of the beast" shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
....... Those who reject the mark will likely be persecuted/prosecuted(= jailed/executed) by the powerful governments of the world or starve to death.(cf; Amish Christians)
 
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REVELATION.13: = 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

Computer chip implants(cci) that will replace credit & debit cards and cash will likely fit the bill.

Cci will have a series of three 6-digit numbers(= xxxxxx-yyyyyy-zzzzzz = 6-6-6 = an 18-digit number) in order to be able to mathematically differentiate between every individual in the world population of about 7,000,000,000 individuals(= a 10-digit number).

xxxxxx could be your birthdate,
yyyyyy could be your Social Security or National ID number,
zzzzzz could be your PIN.
....... Mathematically, no 2 individuals on the earth/world will have the same cci number.

REV.14:9-11 states that those who receive the "mark of the beast" shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
....... Those who reject the mark will likely be persecuted/prosecuted(= jailed/executed) by the powerful governments of the world or starve to death.(cf; Amish Christians)
discipler7, do yo know what is wrong with that theory? The 666 is the number of the beast's name. Not the identity of person's, to differentiate them one from another. It is a number a man singular. His number, which has to do with his identity - specifically his name.

And there is variance in that a person does not necessarily have to have the number, but could have either the name or the mark, as well.

"the number of his name."

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I'm thinking the number has some sort of occultic power associated with his name in the form a tetragrammaton like letters. And the mark, likewise occultic, to have power like an amulet... which also could be tied to the image of the beast.

tetragrammaton - means consisting of four letters.

I am not so sure about the validity of the table that Q provided.
 
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Hebrew Gematria is a system developed from pagan Assyrian-Babylonian-Greek systems. It began to be used by Hebrew Kabbalists. It is nothing but 'numerology', a system of prognostication similar to astrology. One might as well go buy a Quija board and allow a familiar spirit to talk to you, it'd probably be more accurate (don't do that though, since you belong to Jesus).

Heard of The Bible Code book written back in the late 1990's? Same junk.
There is actually a reliable Bible Code only in the original writings in the original language - however it cannot be used to make predictions -
the whole matter was then modified to make a movie plot , and fictional accounts were then added
 
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Like I always say, these things are most important to the people that will actually live in that eschatology. We only have a view given us from eschatological verses that have nothing , whatsoever, to do with our here, and now, call! The future will take care of itself! Much like the past and the present! Our life is Here, and now--live!
If you learn about the massive changes coming very soon with 5G , you'll learn that time is here , as in about 3 years = everything will have sensors in it - it will change how society is done -AI+Iot+5G....if you look into what has been show in the latest Mobility Summit that was just held - it shows demonstrations
 
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This is a spiritual buying and selling going on.
It is a system where people buy and sell ,
just as in when people proclaim "with their mouth" Jesus IS Lord
and in a courtroom people raise their right hand and say "I do solemnly swear that the testimony I give "

People will be aware that when they accept the Mark 666 they are making it known "whom they will serve " so that they cannot say later that they did not know they were forfeiting their chance to serve the Lord Jesus if they receive the mark
 
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Is the Antichrist and Number 666 in Hebrew Nero(n)? The prophecy in Rev.13:18 can only be solved by the Hebrew Gematria.

THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST in Rev.13:18:

During Roman occupation it was illegal for citizens to criticise the Roman leadership. If the Jews wanted to criticize, they would have to invent a code language. Babylon for instance was the code for the Roman Empire. The harlot of Babylon would be the name for the Caesar. The heads of the beast would be representative of the power structure of the Roman Empire.

666 would refer to Nero Caesar. In the Hebrew Art of Gematria, every letter has a numeric value. If you convert Nero Caesar to Hebrew and convert it to Gematria you will get the number 666. The Letter N in Hebrew has a value of 50. When you convert Nero in Hebrew, it would be Neron, but some jews would say Nero, meaning it could be 616 or 666. Old manuscripts of the book of Revelations also have 616 instead of 666. Again, this need to use numbers instead of names was used in order to avoid directly criticizing the political establishment for fear of being arrested.
If you want a further analysis read the chapter on Revelations in Bart D Ehrman's book: "A historical introduction into early christian writings". Professor Ehrman teaches at the university of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. He is a textual critic of early Christian Writings.

SO TO HEBREW GEMMATRIA WE MUST TURN IF WE ARE TO MAKE SENSE OF THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST BEING THE NUMBER OF A MAN...


If we use a Hebrew Aramaic Gemmatrial system (where each Hebrew Letter has a corresponding NUMBER attached) the system works like this:

ALEPH =1 = (' )
BETH =2 =B
GIMMEL =3 =G
DALED =4 =D
HEH =5 =H
VAV =6 =V and O
TSAYIN =7 = Z
CHET =8 = CH
TET =9 = T
YUD =10 = Y or I
KAPH =20 = K
LAMED =30 = L
MEM =40 = M
NUN =50 = N
SAMEK =60 = S
Q'AYIN =70 = 'Q
PHE =80 = F
TSADEH = 90 = TZ
QUPH =100 = Q or K or hard C
RESH =200 = R
SHIN/SHIN =300 = S or SH
TAV =400 = T or TH

Since the Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder (Book of Revelation) has TWO competing gemmatria for the "name of the beast", and was written during the 1st Jewish War against Rome (AD 66-72) the correct individual would presumably have to fit both 616 and 666 found in the 2 competing manuscript families for this marginal insertion...


The Roman Emperor NERO fits the bill nicely (he was the infamous sadistic but "Divine" Emperor-Caesar of Rome in AD 66 when the Revolt in Judaea broke out and used to burn Jews (i.e. Jewish Messianic Christians) in Rome in his gardens by dipping them in tar so they'd be able to light up the courtyard better!)

The Emperor Nero's hidden "gemmatrial" (i.e. Kaballistic-numerological) name in Hebrew Letters (with the letter VAV used for LONG O) would have been either written in Hebrew letters as: N R O N Q S R (=666, add them up) = this is the preferred version as spoken by the Greeks or else as: N R O Q S R (i.e. 616).

NERO was probably the original intent of the writer, but the "Book of Revelation"was re-written so many times in its long literary history, (e.g. in 96 AD (re-edited) with another Emperor (Nero-Domitian) in mind, and the text was applied to every succeeding generation where "persecution of the Elect" was in effect.)

Despite the "rhetoric of hope" for the "Elect" in the Book of Revelation which was meant to strengthen the resolve of those fighting the "Beast" contrary to the hopes of the writer, Jerusalem did not descend from the sky as promised, and 900,000 Palestinian Jews lost their lives in a war which, according to Josephus, should not have been ever fought in the first place...

From: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread80914/pg1

By: Byrd; a member of AboveTopSecret.com"

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... #pid828821.

From another source:

In Roman times, the language used was Latin, and Nero was "Nero" ! That is his latin name! Also, in Italian, the name is "Nero"! Many of the romance languages developed from Latin - Italian, French, Spanish. In Greek and in Hebrew, Nero was Neron

When Nero Caesar's name is transliterated into Hebrew, which a first-century Jew would probably have done, he would have gotten Neron Kesar or simply nrwn qsr, since Hebrew has no letters to represent vowels. "It has been documented by archaeological finds that a first century Hebrew spelling of Nero's name provides us with precisely the value of 666. Jastrow's lexicon of the Talmud contains this very spelling."5 When we take the letters of Nero's name and spell them in Hebrew, we get the following numeric values: n=50, r=200, w=6, n=50, q=100, s=60, r=200 = 666. "Every Jewish reader, of course, saw that the Beast was a symbol of Nero. And both Jews and Christians regarded Nero as also having close affinities with the serpent or dragon. . . . The Apostle writing as a Hebrew, was evidently thinking as a Hebrew. . . . Accordingly, the Jewish Christian would have tried the name as he thought of the name - that is in Hebrew letters. And the moment that he did this the secret stood revealed. No Jew ever thought of Nero except as "Neron Kesar."6

The fragment supports the reading of some Greek New Testament manuscripts that read 616 instead of 666. Why would someone making a copy of the Revelation scroll make such a number change? "Perhaps the change was intentional, seeing that the Greek form Neron Caesar written in Hebrew characters (nrwn qsr) is equivalent to 666, whereas the Latin form Nero Caesar (nrw qsr) is equivalent to 616." A Latin copyist might have thought that 666 was an error because Nero Caesar did not add up to 666 when transliterated into Latin. He then changed 666 to 616 to conform to the Latin rendering since it was generally accepted that Nero was the Beast. In either case, a Hebrew transliteration nets 666, while a Latin spelling nets 616. Nero was the "man" and either 666 or 616 was his number.

Partial source: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 202AArPVCp


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wasn't Nero long dead when John penned these words?
 
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[Staff edit]. Why is 666 important to the beast and false prophet? Why would they want people to display it on their person?

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

God's name who wanted them to spread out around the world and repopulate was YHWH. It seems to me that they were thinking they could build the tower, get to heaven - replace God with their own god. Let us make us a name, seems to be make a god which some name they come up with.

The beast claims to be God and he blasphemes God and against God's name - which would be YHWH - in heaven. Is it possible that the name of the beast will have four letters like the tetragrammaton of God's name YHWH, and that those 4 letters of the beast's name by design total 666? Which 666 in Kabbalah occultic world have some sort of significant power?

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them who dwell in heaven.

I think the 666, the name, and the mark have something to do with wanting to replace or subjugate God, going back to that desire at the tower of Babel - as insane as that my be - and that is why God is so harsh on them who take the number, the mark, the name.
 
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wasn't Nero long dead when John penned these words?


Nero died in 68 A.D. John died some time after 98 A.D. Which has nothing to do with the OP. Why do you ask?


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Nero died in 68 A.D. John died some time after 98 A.D. Which has nothing to do with the OP. Why do you ask?


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Are we understanding this text to be things that have happened or things that will come? When the words were penned Nero was long dead.
 
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Are we understanding this text to be things that have happened or things that will come? When the words were penned Nero was long dead.


The OP is about 666, the number of a man yet to come, as seen through Hebrew legend, as calculated by their alpha numerical alphabet.


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The OP is about 666, the number of a man yet to come

Sadly, the revelation 13 passage of the mark of the beast being interpreted as the number of 'a' man, is a widely misunderstood error. The Greek manuscripts do not say the number of 'a' man (none of them), they 'all' say it is the number 'of Man.' ...Period! That's an important distinction which should not be lost. It may say 'a man' in your translation of the Greek, but as anyone even a novice in the Greek knows, there is no article 'a' in the actual passage! Check that out yourself, or consult a faithful expert in the Greek. There is no article 'a' there.

as seen through Hebrew legend, as calculated by their alpha numerical alphabet.Quasar92

Here you go again, calculating with numerology or letter. Not going to work. This is not what God said. He said "count that number." for it is the number of man as I explained previously!
 
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[Staff edit].

It is more likely that the six hundred, three score, and six are the numerical value of the letters of beast's name- in tetragammaton like form - as the YHWH is for God's personal name.

[Staff edit]. You CAN'T count the number with numerology, letter/number value, adding or subtracting, etc. so you could figure who qualifies as beast based on his name, address, etc. You will not find the truth as many people have done before you who did exact the same things for decades.

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Who requires the 666 on peoples' hand or forehead? Why would those who require it - want 666 on peoples' hand or forehead?

Gee-whiz! Didn't you read my previous post about right hand and forehead refers to?! You should be able to figure out WHY the beast wants to mark his name on our right hand and forehead. And no it's NOT physical but spiritually, but WHY? Go read about right hand and forehead AGAIN!
 
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You CAN'T count the number with numerology, letter/number value, adding or subtracting, etc. so you could figure who qualifies as beast based on his name, address, etc. You will not find the truth as many people have done before you who did exact the same things for decades.
You are not getting that the number 666 has significance for some reason to them who are going to require it. It is not a Christian code term. It is a beast and false prophet code term. They are the ones who are going to require it on peoples' hands or foreheads. It is a literal number.
 
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Gee-whiz! Didn't you read my previous post about right hand and forehead refers to?! You should be able to figure out WHY the beast wants to mark his name on our right hand and forehead. And no it's NOT physical but spiritually, but WHY? Go read about right hand and forehead AGAIN!
The 666 has to be visible on peoples' hands or foreheads in order for the buy or sell system to operate. A person comes up to the sales counter and the clerk doesn't see 666, the mark, or the name on the person - no sale, according to the law in that day.
 
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Gee-whiz! Didn't you read my previous post about right hand and forehead refers to?! You should be able to figure out WHY the beast wants to mark his name on our right hand and forehead. And no it's NOT physical but spiritually, but WHY? Go read about right hand and forehead AGAIN!
TS, you need to learn how to compose a post that is not laced with these "!". :)
 
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Is the Antichrist and Number 666 in Hebrew Nero(n)? The prophecy in Rev.13:18 can only be solved by the Hebrew Gematria.

THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST in Rev.13:18:

During Roman occupation it was illegal for citizens to criticise the Roman leadership. If the Jews wanted to criticize, they would have to invent a code language. Babylon for instance was the code for the Roman Empire. The harlot of Babylon would be the name for the Caesar. The heads of the beast would be representative of the power structure of the Roman Empire.

666 would refer to Nero Caesar. In the Hebrew Art of Gematria, every letter has a numeric value. If you convert Nero Caesar to Hebrew and convert it to Gematria you will get the number 666. The Letter N in Hebrew has a value of 50. When you convert Nero in Hebrew, it would be Neron, but some jews would say Nero, meaning it could be 616 or 666. Old manuscripts of the book of Revelations also have 616 instead of 666. Again, this need to use numbers instead of names was used in order to avoid directly criticizing the political establishment for fear of being arrested.
If you want a further analysis read the chapter on Revelations in Bart D Ehrman's book: "A historical introduction into early christian writings". Professor Ehrman teaches at the university of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. He is a textual critic of early Christian Writings.

SO TO HEBREW GEMMATRIA WE MUST TURN IF WE ARE TO MAKE SENSE OF THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST BEING THE NUMBER OF A MAN...


If we use a Hebrew Aramaic Gemmatrial system (where each Hebrew Letter has a corresponding NUMBER attached) the system works like this:

ALEPH =1 = (' )
BETH =2 =B
GIMMEL =3 =G
DALED =4 =D
HEH =5 =H
VAV =6 =V and O
TSAYIN =7 = Z
CHET =8 = CH
TET =9 = T
YUD =10 = Y or I
KAPH =20 = K
LAMED =30 = L
MEM =40 = M
NUN =50 = N
SAMEK =60 = S
Q'AYIN =70 = 'Q
PHE =80 = F
TSADEH = 90 = TZ
QUPH =100 = Q or K or hard C
RESH =200 = R
SHIN/SHIN =300 = S or SH
TAV =400 = T or TH

Since the Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder (Book of Revelation) has TWO competing gemmatria for the "name of the beast", and was written during the 1st Jewish War against Rome (AD 66-72) the correct individual would presumably have to fit both 616 and 666 found in the 2 competing manuscript families for this marginal insertion...


The Roman Emperor NERO fits the bill nicely (he was the infamous sadistic but "Divine" Emperor-Caesar of Rome in AD 66 when the Revolt in Judaea broke out and used to burn Jews (i.e. Jewish Messianic Christians) in Rome in his gardens by dipping them in tar so they'd be able to light up the courtyard better!)

The Emperor Nero's hidden "gemmatrial" (i.e. Kaballistic-numerological) name in Hebrew Letters (with the letter VAV used for LONG O) would have been either written in Hebrew letters as: N R O N Q S R (=666, add them up) = this is the preferred version as spoken by the Greeks or else as: N R O Q S R (i.e. 616).

NERO was probably the original intent of the writer, but the "Book of Revelation"was re-written so many times in its long literary history, (e.g. in 96 AD (re-edited) with another Emperor (Nero-Domitian) in mind, and the text was applied to every succeeding generation where "persecution of the Elect" was in effect.)

Despite the "rhetoric of hope" for the "Elect" in the Book of Revelation which was meant to strengthen the resolve of those fighting the "Beast" contrary to the hopes of the writer, Jerusalem did not descend from the sky as promised, and 900,000 Palestinian Jews lost their lives in a war which, according to Josephus, should not have been ever fought in the first place...

From: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread80914/pg1

By: Byrd; a member of AboveTopSecret.com"

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... #pid828821.

From another source:

In Roman times, the language used was Latin, and Nero was "Nero" ! That is his latin name! Also, in Italian, the name is "Nero"! Many of the romance languages developed from Latin - Italian, French, Spanish. In Greek and in Hebrew, Nero was Neron

When Nero Caesar's name is transliterated into Hebrew, which a first-century Jew would probably have done, he would have gotten Neron Kesar or simply nrwn qsr, since Hebrew has no letters to represent vowels. "It has been documented by archaeological finds that a first century Hebrew spelling of Nero's name provides us with precisely the value of 666. Jastrow's lexicon of the Talmud contains this very spelling."5 When we take the letters of Nero's name and spell them in Hebrew, we get the following numeric values: n=50, r=200, w=6, n=50, q=100, s=60, r=200 = 666. "Every Jewish reader, of course, saw that the Beast was a symbol of Nero. And both Jews and Christians regarded Nero as also having close affinities with the serpent or dragon. . . . The Apostle writing as a Hebrew, was evidently thinking as a Hebrew. . . . Accordingly, the Jewish Christian would have tried the name as he thought of the name - that is in Hebrew letters. And the moment that he did this the secret stood revealed. No Jew ever thought of Nero except as "Neron Kesar."6

The fragment supports the reading of some Greek New Testament manuscripts that read 616 instead of 666. Why would someone making a copy of the Revelation scroll make such a number change? "Perhaps the change was intentional, seeing that the Greek form Neron Caesar written in Hebrew characters (nrwn qsr) is equivalent to 666, whereas the Latin form Nero Caesar (nrw qsr) is equivalent to 616." A Latin copyist might have thought that 666 was an error because Nero Caesar did not add up to 666 when transliterated into Latin. He then changed 666 to 616 to conform to the Latin rendering since it was generally accepted that Nero was the Beast. In either case, a Hebrew transliteration nets 666, while a Latin spelling nets 616. Nero was the "man" and either 666 or 616 was his number.

Partial source: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 202AArPVCp


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According to Eusebius, the author of Ecclesiastical History, Nero blamed the fire of Rome on the Christians. He arrested Christians and set them on fire in his gardens like human torches. Paul may have been executed about 68 AD during the reign of Nero. Some of the first Christians like Peter and Paul were also Jewish. Nero unleashed anger against the Jews as well because they revolted against Rome. General Vespasian had to be dispatched with an army to put down the revolt. Nero died in 68. Vespasian was promoted to emperor.

I do not know of anyone who read Revelation and was able to accurately predict future events based on the text. Hal Lindsey wrote, "The Late Great Planet Earth," in 1970. It became a best seller. It explained in detail what the symbols in Revelation meant and what was going to happen. People do not talk about him much anymore as it was guess work and he guessed wrong.
 
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