Actually, I like to listen "deeper" on each listen - picking out a particular line as it threads through the composition - and on relistening, that previous deepened listening gives a richer hearing.
(I like music)
thats so me!
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The Not Listening Excuse...
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thats so me!
Very cool. It seems all the really good music was produced before I was old enough to appreciate it or before I was even born.
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I've been listening to a lot of steely dan recently.
I used to hate them, but recently I've really been admiring the creativity with those guys.
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What I like is when a thread keeps going and going and going as everyone wants to get the last word in so the other cannot claim "victory".Originally Posted by DD2008
I have noticed that the "You're not listening" excuse is used frequently by people on all sides of debate here at GT when someone doesn't change their mind on a point of view after all persuading points in their arsenal have been used.
I mean, how many different ways can the same thing be said over and over again before one finally says "enough! I am outta here!"
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Everyone wants the last word. I actually stayed up till 2:30 am last night because I wanted to respond to all the posts becasue I was accused of not responding. It gets ridiculous.
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I have noticed that the "You're not listening" excuse is used frequently by people on all sides of debate here at GT when someone doesn't change their mind on a point of view after all persuading points in their arsenal have been used.
That is an invalid argument. It assumes that you think that the only way someone could possibly disagree with you is if they simply weren't listening, that they just don't understand your point of view, but if they listened to you they certainly would because their is no way you could be wrong. What if the reason they disagree with you is because you don't have a compelling argument to support your position? Maybe after everything you can show them they still are not persuaded and have valid points against your position? Maybe they embraced and argued for your position at one point and were persuaded against it because they honestly found problems with it they couldn't honestly reconcile? Can you reconcile those same problems with a compelling conclusive case, or not?
I think it is best to give others the benefit of the doubt that they do in fact understand your position and have found compelling reasons not to embrace it. The you're not listening excuse doesn't cut it. There is no reason for anyone to even be here if they aren't reading posts and considering the statements made in them. So we should give others the benefit of the doubt that they are in fact listening and ask them specifically why they reject a point we would think is irrefutable, instead of calling them uneducated or think headed or tell them they are simply not listening.
excuse? Hon, it's no excuse.. when we say, we do not worship Mary and you come back and say, yes we do.. you are not listening.
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I'm not just talking about that incident. In general people use that not listening excuse when their arguments have not persuaded the other person to change their mind.
We should stop that, and give others the benefit of the doubt. Or to be more precise we should make a better effort at real communication instead of assumption.
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I'm not just talking about that incident. In general people use that not listening excuse when their arguments have not persuaded the other person to change their mind.
We should stop that, and give others the benefit of the doubt. Or to be more precise we should make a better effort at real communication instead of assumption.
it's not an excuse... ppl do not listen to what we say. period
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Were you going to start the misic thread or was someone else?
I was just kinda tossin the idea out there. I will go do it though.
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Anyway. I would like to apologize to benedictaoo for keeping her up until 2:30 yelling at me.
I didn't mean to offend you.
I was up until 2:30 becuase you weren't listening.
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I was listening. I just wasn't agreeing.
It's my fault because I didn't stop and explain where we have a disconnect. Instead I kept going in circles with you.
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Let's just say that thread and many others on GT went wrong for multiple reasons. Intentional or unintentional failure to understand other's positions being just one of the many problems. At this point there's no need to hang onto anger, frustration and an unforgiving attitude when dealing with our fellow Christians.
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