The Normalizing Of Bastard Children

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would like to think on a Christian website the ways of God are closer to peoples hearts here.

That's why.

Everything must be tested, according to Scripture. Don't assume such things or error results....

 

[CharismaticLady]

oops.....

Read again the statement /verse/ Scripture in BLUE,
then your own statement....

not saying the same thing.....

"power to become" is not the same as "become"

I see where you are going with this statement. It is like this progression of "becoming": 2 Peter 1:

add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Some people today have six or more parents.....

IF ONE or more of the parents caring for an infant/ child IS a believer as written in Scripture,
then the child may be or is clean ......
Otherwise, as clearly written in Scripture, the child is unclean.

You mean like grandparents, who are directly involved in raising the child?

 

[tall73]

oops.....

Read again the statement /verse/ Scripture in BLUE,
then your own statement....

not saying the same thing.....

"power to become" is not the same as "become"

Actually, you are correct, so let's add one more Scripture to look at.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What do you think of aborted babies from fornication? Are they always unclean? Or does it depend on if, at least, one of the parents eventually gets saved?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I see where you are going with this statement. It is like this progression of "becoming": 2 Peter 1:

add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes , basically, when someone remains in Christ and continues walking in the LIGHT...

Some disciples (many may be written ) in the NT, received Christ for a while, and followed Him, but later when His Words became too hard for them to bear, they left Him, and He let them go, so they did not either remain or did not become sons of God, unless later they returned to Him faithfully, in line with His Word and His requirements as written in His Word. Many people on this site/ forum/ have admitted they once were believers, and for one reason or another, or for no reason at all?! , they stopped being Christian. Others claim to be... and we must accept their claim, but not everything they say, post or do is in line with the Light....

 

[Daniel C]

Everything must be tested, according to Scripture. Don't assume such things or error results....

I didn't actually assume though, more wishful thinking.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I didn't actually assume though, more wishful thinking.

I think you posted that you did. Something like "would like to think", which turns out not to be supported by facts unless proven first .... AND from Scripture there is a different view of people , unlike what you posted...

 

[tall73]

If you believe in it fine, I'm not here to talk you out of it but God makes it clear want he wants.

You think He wants you to emphasize that people should not have bastard children, but do not think we should emphasize that people, even bastards, can be part of God's family by believing and walking with Christ?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes , basically, when someone remains in Christ and continues walking in the LIGHT...

Some disciples (many may be written ) in the NT, received Christ for a while, and followed Him, but later when His Words became too hard for them to bear, they left Him, and He let them go, so they did not either remain or did not become sons of God, unless later they returned to Him faithfully, in line with His Word and His requirements as written in His Word. Many people on this site/ forum/ have admitted they once were believers, and for one reason or another, or for no reason at all?! , they stopped being Christian. Others claim to be... and we must accept their claim, but not everything they say, post or do is in line with the Light....

Choice of denomination plays a huge part in progressing, or staying the same as when they were "in the world." Actually they just never left the world.

 

[Brightmoon]

I had 3 fathers , my biological father , my godfather and my mothers adult cousin’s husband . I learned from all 3 including sometimes what not to do. Sometimes my biological father would do something cruel ( cruelty not discipline) The others were reasonable and/or fun loving . I’m glad I didn’t just have one father as I learned to be reasonable and fun loving with my kids . It makes me shudder to think of treating my kids the way I was treated by my biological father and my parents were married

 

[bekkilyn]

Yes, let's think of yet one more reason to drive people away from Christ. So who is going to be our next target after "bastard" children are all condemned and sent into everlasting perdition?

 

[John P. Alexander]

I voted yes simply in the context of your horrific labeling. All children are "acceptable" to God regardless of the sins of their parents.

 

[Daniel C]

You think He wants you to emphasize that people should not have bastard children, but do not think we should emphasize that people, even bastards, can be part of God's family by believing and walking with Christ?

Well why did he put the laws there in the first place? That would be an easy way to deal with that.

 

[Chris V++]

Have a little empathy. How you feel if you were the son of a single mother reading this? All judgement and no grace.

 

[tall73]

Well why did he put the laws there in the first place? That would be an easy way to deal with that.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

However, it continues:

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Have a little empathy. How you feel if you were the son of a single mother reading this? All judgement and no grace.

Where did you get that < "all judgment and no grace" > from ?

 

[Daniel C]

Have a little empathy. How you feel if you were the son of a single mother reading this? All judgement and no grace.

Do you have a view on if it's good or bad that the single mums got their bastard child rather than be married?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What do you think of aborted babies from fornication? Are they unclean? Or it depends on if one of the parents eventually gets saved?

What is written in Scripture ? It mentions which children being unclean in at least one place.
It might or might not say concerning a parent who becomes saved in the future.

 

[friend of]

To the contrary, God champions the parentless and fatherless. Proverbs 23:10-11


James 1:27