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The Normalizing Of Bastard Children

Are Bastard children acceptable?

  • Yes, I had some

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • yes,people can do what that want even if it opposes Gods law

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • No. All my kids are Blessed (Born in wedlock)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • No,Gods will is for children to be born in wedlock.

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .

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Daniel C’s attitude kept my aunt in a toxic marriage with a man who continually and habitually cheated on her ( and all three of his subsequent wives too) . divorced women were seen as little better than harlots back in the 40s and 50s . She eventually did divorce him and so did 2 of the subsequent wives when they got tired of the emotional abuse. He outlived the last one.
 
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if some jerk told me that I was unclean because I was having my period , I’d have to leave the room before he got slapped . Women have periods because we don’t go into heat like a dog would . Our ability to have sex isn’t coupled to our fertility
Jesus says so in His Word. It has nothing to do with other aspects that most likely concern you ?
I mean, lots of things are considered unclean in the Bible outside of menstruation—nocturnal emissions, pooping, skin conditions, and more.

I think some of it has to do with the culture of the time. Not in the sense of, "Well, that's just in there because that's how society was." More in the sense of God's protection. Some of the Law portions of the Bible might be so detailed and/or unusual in part to help ward off the superstitions that were common in the surrounding areas. People wouldn't have to worry so much about what was lucky or unlucky if God just told them what to do in different situations. They're weird to us because we live in a post-Enlightenment society where a belief in luck (or anything supernatural whatsoever) is unusual.

I can't speak directly on the culture of the Ancient Near East, but menstrual blood was sometimes used in witchcraft in parts of Europe at the time. It's possible God was trying to protect them from using it for spells, divination, or pagan rituals. Granted, that's just my speculation, but it's a possible reason.
 
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It’s the reason I appreciate my church as women children and gays are treated like real people with feelings and needs , not like property or objects that need to be obedient .
 
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I mean, lots of things are considered unclean in the Bible outside of menstruation—nocturnal emissions, pooping, skin conditions, and more.

I think some of it has to do with the culture of the time. Not in the sense of, "Well, that's just in there because that's how society was." More in the sense of God's protection. Some of the Law portions of the Bible might be so detailed and/or unusual in part to help ward off the superstitions that were common in the surrounding areas. People wouldn't have to worry so much about what was lucky or unlucky if God just told them what to do in different situations. They're weird to us because we live in a post-Enlightenment society where a belief in luck (or anything supernatural whatsoever) is unusual.

I can't speak directly on the culture of the Ancient Near East, but menstrual blood was sometimes used in witchcraft in parts of Europe at the time. It's possible God was trying to protect them from using it for spells, divination, or pagan rituals. Granted, that's just my speculation, but it's a possible reason.
That's all well and good, but it doesn't explain why some folks here seem to insist on following OT practices. I can guarantee that NONE of them follow all 613 OT commandments.
 
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I mean, lots of things are considered unclean in the Bible outside of menstruation—nocturnal emissions, pooping, skin conditions, and more.

I think some of it has to do with the culture of the time. Not in the sense of, "Well, that's just in there because that's how society was." More in the sense of God's protection. Some of the Law portions of the Bible might be so detailed and/or unusual in part to help ward off the superstitions that were common in the surrounding areas. People wouldn't have to worry so much about what was lucky or unlucky if God just told them what to do in different situations. They're weird to us because we live in a post-Enlightenment society where a belief in luck (or anything supernatural whatsoever) is unusual.

I can't speak directly on the culture of the Ancient Near East, but menstrual blood was sometimes used in witchcraft in parts of Europe at the time. It's possible God was trying to protect them from using it for spells, divination, or pagan rituals. Granted, that's just my speculation, but it's a possible reason.
Feces are unclean . Menstrual blood is just messy and a little annoying!
I’m inclined to think the separation was originally to keep Predators away from the women and it devolved into women are dirty and cursed later.
Nocturnal emissions? - We all know that the abrahamic faiths have some ridiculous hangups about sex
 
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I think some of it has to do with the culture of the time.
While multitudes would love to adapt to culture, and/ or use "culture" as an excuse to sin,

Yahuweh and His Word does not, and is not dependent on cultural changes, and does not change with man's changes, nor can anyone rely on nor trust "culture".
 
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Somehow Jesus doesn’t come off as much of a misogynist. Demeaning women over a natural phenomenon like having a period is abuse .
Applause ? ... hmmm ..... wait - all that Jesus ever said is TRUTH. HE IS TRUTH.

He never could be found transgressing any of TORAH .... as for "abuse", In the last few centuries, Jesus might well have been found guilty of that - not because He "abused" anyone, ever, but because the enemy has twisted the public around his little finger to see things and to say things his way (the enemy's way), and to convict (or to accuse <even> ) the righteous happens frequently,
just as Jesus was accused and "convicted", and counted with sinners, even though Jesus never sinned.
 
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While multitudes would love to adapt to culture, and/ or use "culture" as an excuse to sin,

Yahuweh and His Word does not, and is not dependent on cultural changes, and does not change with man's changes, nor can anyone rely on nor trust "culture".
Agreed. However, you're also misunderstanding what I was saying.

The Law was intended to set apart the Jewish people from the surrounding peoples, and furthermore to prepare them to be the ethnic group from which the Messiah would come. That doesn't make the Law contrary to God's will, but we are no longer under that covenant (Galatians 3:15-25). Insisting that we must still be under Levitical Law goes directly against Scripture (Galatians 5:4-5).

The moral aspects of the Law remain the same—murder is still wrong, rape is still wrong, etc.—but we also have freedom. We shouldn't misuse that freedom (Galatians 5:13-14), but we are not under the law in the same manner which the Israelites were.

Furthermore, the Law has facets which apply more directly to the situation the people of Israel were in: How should they run their society? What about these superstitions and rituals from these other cultures around them? Is it okay to act like them?
Granted, I am no biblical scholar, but lots of these instances exist to further set apart the Jewish people from the surrounding area, whether that is in regards to the dynamics of their marriages or to their treatment of animals.
My speculation earlier specifically involved the use of menstrual blood in magic. The Jewish people of the time would probably have had some questions about this. That would have been a legitimate issue for Jewish people of the time. It would have been very relevant for them.
Another possibility is protection against disease. An issue of blood between periods can be a sign of disease (anything from blood clotting disorders to STDs). Maybe there was concern about how to diagnose if a woman was having an irregular period or if something was medically wrong. In an era with very little knowledge about the diagnosis and treatment of disease, a standard by which to determine whether a woman was healthy (clean) or not would have been vital. (It would also make sense to include such a passage where the diagnosis of possible STDs in men is discussed as well).

Again, I'm just spitballing over here, but even so, my speculation isn't meant to say this passage doesn't matter today. It's a reminder that God cares even about the minutiae of our lives. In a culture where women are often told not to talk about aspects of our health (including our menstrual health) because it's uncomfortable or gross, it's comforting to know that it's not a subject God is uncomfortable talking about at all. So it's still very relevant on that front.
 
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Another possibility is protection against disease.
To follow up later, yes. God Promised 'disease-free' time for people when they obeyed Him willingly (and MORE !) (most people NEVER find out)....

Today, for multitudes: "for lack of knowledge(of truth), MY people PERISH" is more than ever before. People trust that which is not God instead of trusting God.....
 
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I mean, lots of things are considered unclean in the Bible outside of menstruation—nocturnal emissions, pooping, skin conditions, and more.

I think some of it has to do with the culture of the time. Not in the sense of, "Well, that's just in there because that's how society was." More in the sense of God's protection. Some of the Law portions of the Bible might be so detailed and/or unusual in part to help ward off the superstitions that were common in the surrounding areas. People wouldn't have to worry so much about what was lucky or unlucky if God just told them what to do in different situations. They're weird to us because we live in a post-Enlightenment society where a belief in luck (or anything supernatural whatsoever) is unusual.

I can't speak directly on the culture of the Ancient Near East, but menstrual blood was sometimes used in witchcraft in parts of Europe at the time. It's possible God was trying to protect them from using it for spells, divination, or pagan rituals. Granted, that's just my speculation, but it's a possible reason.

I also think it was to do with health and sanitation. They knew nothing of how germs spread or why a wound would become infected. We now know that germs get spread through bodily fluids and by touching things and that washing your hands well is one of the main ways to prevent spread of disease.
 
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Some people might complain about the word Bastard being used but I just want to say this is Gods language so it can never be unclean so please respect that. The problem is Christians have been influenced by the heathens of this world and been persuaded to abandon Gods clean sacred language. Here are some verses:

Deuteronomy 23 2
''A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.''


hebrews 12:7-8
''If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.''


So God clearly wants children to enter into the world in a certain manner. Just wandering if people here think having a Bastard child is acceptable or marriage before the child's birth is essential? The world keeps pushing for more and more of Gods will to be eliminated,please bear in mind this ultimately is an issue of how adults and potential parents conduct themselves,not an attack on children so curious how the forum felt on this issue. Thanks.
The B word is not God's word. The bible was not written in English. I don't know if ancient Hebrew had the same cultural connotations as our word but the word is used by man to offensive to each other. Be more careful with how you word things when you say something is of God.
 
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People are usually all bad, and stay all bad. Just by being born.
They usually have no insights at all, and especially no valuable insights.
"Whatever is born of the flesh..... profits NOTHING."

Do you have a list?
 
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People are usually all bad, and stay all bad. Just by being born.
They usually have no insights at all, and especially no valuable insights.
"Whatever is born of the flesh..... profits NOTHING."

OK, instead of list, can you name one person that is all bad?
I will talk to them.
 
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People are usually all bad, and stay all bad. Just by being born.
They usually have no insights at all, and especially no valuable insights.
"Whatever is born of the flesh..... profits NOTHING."
I am not sure that is not Gnostic, or at least dualism.
 
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The B word is not God's word. The bible was not written in English. I don't know if ancient Hebrew had the same cultural connotations as our word but the word is used by man to offensive to each other. Be more careful with how you word things when you say something is of God.

This is the same argument Muslims use about critics of the koran: Unless the book is spoken in the original (Arabic) language,it doesn't count.

Well my God is not Allah and he promised to preserve his word for me and all people:

Psalm 12:6-7
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

My KJV is that preservation and in it the translators use Bastard so I say the same:


''A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.''

If you want to use heathen dialogue that's fine but don't try to criminalize the lords clean language.
 
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A view: "this man" and "his parents" - were they "clean" or "unclean" ?

A child is unclean if none of their parents is a <true> believer. According to what is written in the Bible.

The Law, brings death to all.


James 2:9-10
But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6
14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

2 Corinthians 3
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Romans 6
18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

2 Corinthians 3
6 who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
 
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This is the same argument Muslims use about critics of the koran: Unless the book is spoken in the original (Arabic) language,it doesn't count.

''A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.''

Language changes. Shakspere said "The stink of a rose" but nobody would say that now because we now mean something smelling bad. Bastard is now used as a slur not simply to mean a fatherless person.

As to the second, that is from Deuteronomy which is Old Testament law, law that we are not under, or do you follow all of them?

We are now under grace and saved by faith in Jesus. This includes the fatherless, prostitutes and anybody else who truly repents.
 
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Language changes. Shakspere said "The stink of a rose" but nobody would say that now because we now mean something smelling bad. Bastard is now used as a slur not simply to mean a fatherless person.

As to the second, that is from Deuteronomy which is Old Testament law, law that we are not under, or do you follow all of them?

We are now under grace and saved by faith in Jesus. This includes the fatherless, prostitutes and anybody else who truly repents.


The heathen language changes but God said he would preserve his word,was he lying?

Psalm 12
"The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.''
 
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