The Noahide Laws

[visionary]

Why do you judge me as if I should expect you to take everything I say on "faith" or if not I would consider it a "lack of faith" on your part? Where did I ever say or even suggest that anyone should do such a foolish thing? As a rule I generally avoid making statements I have not already proven for myself. What I said above are also well known things by the way, (or at least they should be).

Dammeseq-Qumran Zadokite Community Document:



Does Ruach-Spirit need to be explained?
Surely not but here is a usage of chrisma:

1 John 2:20
20. But you have a chrisma-anointing from the Holy One, and you perceive all things.

1 John 2:24-27
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which you have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, you also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even life eternal.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27. But the chrisma-anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that anyone teach you: but as the same chrisma-anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as has been taught you, you shall abide in him.

Shalom-Peace.

One of the gifts is the eyes to see, the ears to hear, and the heart of Him who gave it. With all this comes the compassion, the tolerance, long suffering and love for those not walking as far up the path, or walking in the Way, or Walking in the truth, as we have come to understand it. We all have been there and thought that. But rather than looking around, we have learned to keep looking up knowing He is drawing nigh. Many messengers of truth come in many forms and a humble spirit can recognize that which is from God and learn from it. The proud will use scripture like a sword to slash away what should have been prayerfully considered. One thing is for sure, we are all facing the right direction, where ever we are. We are looking to Him who can save, will save, is saving, and ultimately redeem us for all eternity.

 

[daq]

One of the gifts is the eyes to see, the ears to hear, and the heart of Him who gave it. With all this comes the compassion, the tolerance, long suffering and love for those not walking as far up the path, or walking in the Way, or Walking in the truth, as we have come to understand it. We all have been there and thought that. But rather than looking around, we have learned to keep looking up knowing He is drawing nigh. Many messengers of truth come in many forms and a humble spirit can recognize that which is from God and learn from it. The proud will use scripture like a sword to slash away what should have been prayerfully considered. One thing is for sure, we are all facing the right direction, where ever we are. We are looking to Him who can save, will save, is saving, and ultimately redeem us for all eternity.

I will tell you who will use the Scripture like a sword to slash: read Hoshea 13 with eyes opened. That one called the Word whom so many claim to worship, he will become like a lion, a she-bear robbed of her cubs, a leopard, and a wild beast, yea, that one will meet the proud in the Way and rip open that iron chest plate of the caul of the heart so that Zerubbabel himself can remove it for the final circumcision, (and there will shouts of Grace! Grace to him! for the one who is so blessed). Or we can simply believe the words of Yeshua and do them such as "Judge not, that you not be judged" and "All things whatsoever you would that men should do unto you, do you even so unto them: for this is the Torah and THE PROPHETS!" But how many actually believe these things? So the day comes, each in his or her own appointed times, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

 

[visionary]

I will tell you who will use the Scripture like a sword to slash: read Hoshea 13 with eyes opened. That one called the Word whom so many claim to worship, he will become like a lion, a she-bear robbed of her cubs, a leopard, and a wild beast, yea, that one will meet the proud in the Way and rip open that iron chest plate of the caul of the heart so that Zerubbabel himself can remove it for the final circumcision, (and there will shouts of Grace! Grace to him! for the one who is so blessed). Or we can simply believe the words of Yeshua and do them such as "Judge not, that you not be judged" and "All things whatsoever you would that men should do unto you, do you even so unto them: for this is the Torah and THE PROPHETS!" But how many actually believe these things? So the day comes, each in his or her own appointed times, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

It is the using of scripture like a sword that brings about refuting and rebellion. The Sword of the Spirit will with the swish of the Holy Spirit pierce the soul with convictions upon hearing the Word. It is the Holy Spirit the convicts not the dead words spoken or read from the written word. That is why prayerful consideration to work with the Lord in His field plays a bigger role in salvation for the soul of both the giver and the receiver.

It is sin the causes the sinner to perceive the overwhelming condemnation of the judgement when in the Holy Presence that places sinner in the wrong. It is the sinner who has not separated themselves from that sin that get caught in the trap made for the sin. Remember God does not any to parish. God does not want the sinner to get so caught up in the sin, the guilt of sin, the trapping of sin, that they identify with the sin as a part of them and can not see themselves separate from the sin.

God's ultimate goal is to separate the sinner from sin. Repent, overcome, and be victorious in His righteousness. That is why Yeshua said "Go and sin no more" because it is possible, and it is the answer. Yeshua breaks the bondage of sin at the root where it feeds on the soul and says it is a part and parcel of the sinner. God says NO... I have paid the price so that they may live a new life in Him.

It is possible as all things are possible with God. God has shown the ultimate in forgiveness, patience, tolerance, and long suffering with His life on earth and even in His death. He did it all to separate sin from the sinner. He did it so that we may be washed and be clean and wear His robe of righteousness.

There is a difference between "knowing" Him and having faith in Him, not that having faith in Him is not a element in "knowing" Him but that many claim to have faith in Him and yet have not met Him. That very important aspect makes the biggest difference between those who are theologians and those who are true believers.

 

[daq]

It is the using of scripture like a sword that brings about refuting and rebellion. The Sword of the Spirit will with the swish of the Holy Spirit pierce the soul with convictions upon hearing the Word. It is the Holy Spirit the convicts not the dead words spoken or read from the written word. That is why prayerful consideration to work with the Lord in His field plays a bigger role in salvation for the soul of both the giver and the receiver.

It is sin the causes the sinner to perceive the overwhelming condemnation of the judgement when in the Holy Presence that places sinner in the wrong. It is the sinner who has not separated themselves from that sin that get caught in the trap made for the sin. Remember God does not any to parish. God does not want the sinner to get so caught up in the sin, the guilt of sin, the trapping of sin, that they identify with the sin as a part of them and can not see themselves separate from the sin.

God's ultimate goal is to separate the sinner from sin. Repent, overcome, and be victorious in His righteousness. That is why Yeshua said "Go and sin no more" because it is possible, and it is the answer. Yeshua breaks the bondage of sin at the root where it feeds on the soul and says it is a part and parcel of the sinner. God says NO... I have paid the price so that they may live a new life in Him.

It is possible as all things are possible with God. God has shown the ultimate in forgiveness, patience, tolerance, and long suffering with His life on earth and even in His death. He did it all to separate sin from the sinner. He did it so that we may be washed and be clean and wear His robe of righteousness.

There is a difference between "knowing" Him and having faith in Him, not that having faith in Him is not a element in "knowing" Him but that many claim to have faith in Him and yet have not met Him. That very important aspect makes the biggest difference between those who are theologians and those who are true believers.

Why are you now telling me to repent?
I asked a simple question without any "swish of the Spirit" or rebellion.
Is posting Scripture now considered rebellion in this forum?

 

[daq]

It is the using of scripture like a sword that brings about refuting and rebellion. The Sword of the Spirit will with the swish of the Holy Spirit pierce the soul with convictions upon hearing the Word. It is the Holy Spirit the convicts not the dead words spoken or read from the written word. That is why prayerful consideration to work with the Lord in His field plays a bigger role in salvation for the soul of both the giver and the receiver.

It is sin the causes the sinner to perceive the overwhelming condemnation of the judgement when in the Holy Presence that places sinner in the wrong. It is the sinner who has not separated themselves from that sin that get caught in the trap made for the sin. Remember God does not any to parish. God does not want the sinner to get so caught up in the sin, the guilt of sin, the trapping of sin, that they identify with the sin as a part of them and can not see themselves separate from the sin.

God's ultimate goal is to separate the sinner from sin. Repent, overcome, and be victorious in His righteousness. That is why Yeshua said "Go and sin no more" because it is possible, and it is the answer. Yeshua breaks the bondage of sin at the root where it feeds on the soul and says it is a part and parcel of the sinner. God says NO... I have paid the price so that they may live a new life in Him.

It is possible as all things are possible with God. God has shown the ultimate in forgiveness, patience, tolerance, and long suffering with His life on earth and even in His death. He did it all to separate sin from the sinner. He did it so that we may be washed and be clean and wear His robe of righteousness.

There is a difference between "knowing" Him and having faith in Him, not that having faith in Him is not a element in "knowing" Him but that many claim to have faith in Him and yet have not met Him. That very important aspect makes the biggest difference between those who are theologians and those who are true believers.

Also when you posted me quoting the Scripture you failed to acknowledge that the other poster had just requested sources for what I had said. Can I help it if my greatest source is the Scripture?

Why do you judge me as if I should expect you to take everything I say on "faith" or if not I would consider it a "lack of faith" on your part? Where did I ever say or even suggest that anyone should do such a foolish thing? As a rule I generally avoid making statements I have not already proven for myself. What I said above are also well known things by the way, (or at least they should be).

Dammeseq-Qumran Zadokite Community Document:


Does Ruach-Spirit need to be explained?
Surely not but here is a usage of chrisma:

1 John 2:20
20. But you have a chrisma-anointing from the Holy One, and you perceive all things.

1 John 2:24-27
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which you have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, you also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even life eternal.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27. But the chrisma-anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that anyone teach you: but as the same chrisma-anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as has been taught you, you shall abide in him.

Shalom-Peace.

One of the gifts is the eyes to see, the ears to hear, and the heart of Him who gave it. With all this comes the compassion, the tolerance, long suffering and love for those not walking as far up the path, or walking in the Way, or Walking in the truth, as we have come to understand it. We all have been there and thought that. But rather than looking around, we have learned to keep looking up knowing He is drawing nigh. Many messengers of truth come in many forms and a humble spirit can recognize that which is from God and learn from it. The proud will use scripture like a sword to slash away what should have been prayerfully considered. One thing is for sure, we are all facing the right direction, where ever we are. We are looking to Him who can save, will save, is saving, and ultimately redeem us for all eternity.

Yes, of course, why do you suppose the Nazar-Essenes called the community Dam-mesheq? There were Sadduc-Zadokites ruling in Yerushalaim and another sect of Tzadokiy at Kumran-Dammesek: they were of the same blood but not of the same ruach. Likewise the same is true of the rulers of the Yhudim-P'rushim and the Apostles and overseers of the Brit Chadashah congregation: they were of the same blood but not of the same chrisma.

I suppose you will take it as an insult, or lack of faith on my part, to ask for a source for any of that.

In addition your own "sword theology" does not appear to match what Yeshua himself clearly states:

Matthew 10:32-34
32. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

How can there be a sword of division between right and wrong if the Word is not allowed to be quoted? What you seem to be labeling as causing refutation and rebellion the Master-Teacher himself says he came to do. If one cannot argue his or her position from the Scripture then that does not make it rebellion just because someone else is capable of doing so. It rather simply means that the accuser has no foundation to stand upon which is generally the case anyways and generally the reason why accusations start flying to begin with in a forum setting such as this. Am I now causing rebellion and strife for refuting what you have said with Matthew 10:34 and the words of Yeshua?

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings Saints , this is excerpted from a publication I occasionally monitor . Would the experts , two or three witness attest verification of it's validity , please ?

THE 7 LAWS

1
Acknowledge that there is only one G-d who is Infinite and Supreme above all things. Do not replace that Supreme Being with finite idols, be it yourself, or other beings. This command includes such acts as prayer, study and meditation.

2
Respect the Creator. As frustrated and angry as you may be, do not vent it by cursing your Maker.

3
Respect human life. Every human being is an entire world. To save a life is to save that entire world. To destroy a life is to destroy an entire world. To help others live is a corollary of this principle.

4
Respect the institution of marriage. Marriage is a most Divine act. The marriage of a man and a woman is a reflection of the oneness of G-d and His creation. Disloyalty in marriage is an assault on that oneness.

5
Respect the rights and property of others. Be honest in all your business dealings. By relying on G-d rather than on our own conniving, we express our trust in Him as the Provider of Life.

6
Respect G-d's creatures. At first, Man was forbidden to consume meat. After the Great Flood, he was permitted - but with a warning: Do not cause unnecessary suffering to any creature.

7
Maintain justice. Justice is G-d's business, but we are given the charge to lay down necessary laws and enforce them whenever we can. When we right the wrongs of society, we are acting as partners in the act of sustaining the creation.

Universal Morality - The Seven Noahide Laws - Impact

If this is "The Seven Noahide Laws" in question , what's the argument ?
Just between us Saints , isn't this very near a complete installation of what WE ALL have in our inner being ?

The only things excluded ( which is absolutely essential ) is our Elohim ABBA YAH & YAH'S secret Sacred Name & THE Declaration of our Fulfilled Propitiation , YAHshua Messiah & Believers " FREE " get into Paradise Mark . HalleluYAH .
The servant ron .

 

[visionary]

Why are you now telling me to repent?
I asked a simple question without any "swish of the Spirit" or rebellion.
Is posting Scripture now considered rebellion in this forum?

Why have you taken the post to be assigned to you alone unless it convicted you?

 

[visionary]

Also when you posted me quoting the Scripture you failed to acknowledge that the other poster had just requested sources for what I had said. Can I help it if my greatest source is the Scripture?


In addition your own "sword theology" does not appear to match what Yeshua himself clearly states:

Matthew 10:32-34
32. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

How can there be a sword of division between right and wrong if the Word is not allowed to be quoted? What you seem to be labeling as causing refutation and rebellion the Master-Teacher himself says he came to do. If one cannot argue his or her position from the Scripture then that does not make it rebellion just because someone else is capable of doing so. It rather simply means that the accuser has no foundation to stand upon which is generally the case anyways and generally the reason why accusations start flying to begin with in a forum setting such as this. Am I now causing rebellion and strife for refuting what you have said with Matthew 10:34 and the words of Yeshua?

Who said anything about it not being allowed? Where do you get the impression that quoting is wrong? This self defense posting seems to be reflecting off my postings. There is nothing wrong with quoting Matt 10:34 as it is a great example of the "swish of the sword of the Holy Spirit" which stirs up the rebellious and humbles the spirit of the believers.

 

[mercy1061]

Interesting.
And here is another question that occurs to me.
If YHVH never intended for Gentiles to observe the Sabbath (as WikiNoah teaches and evidently Talmud teaches) how do they explain Isaiah 56?

Isaiah 56:1
This is what the Lord says:
Preserve justice and do what is right,
for My salvation is coming soon,
and My righteousness will be revealed.
2 Happy is the man who does this,
anyone who maintains this,
who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil.

3 No foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord
should say,
“The Lord will exclude me from His people”;
and the eunuch should not say,
“Look, I am a dried-up tree.”
4 For the Lord says this:
“For the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
and choose what pleases Me,
and hold firmly to My covenant,
5 I will give them, in My house and within My walls,
a memorial and a name
better than sons and daughters.
I will give each of them an everlasting name
that will never be cut off.
6 And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord
minister to Him, love the name of Yahweh
and become His servants,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold firmly to My covenant—
7 I will bring them to My holy mountain
and let them rejoice in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be acceptable on My altar,
for My house will be called a house of prayer
for all nations.”
8 This is the declaration of the Lord God,
who gathers the dispersed of Israel:
“I will gather to them still others
besides those already gathered.”

Please note that verse 2 says "happy is the man" who keeps the Sabbath - the LORD hasn't made it exclusive to the children of Abraham.

I was amazed to read this on WikiNoah:

On the eve of the Sabbath (Friday night), they might have a festive family dinner with special food and light candles after sundown in honor of the Seventh Day, which was given to Adam and Noah (and to make the Noahide celebration of the Shabbat distinct from the Jewish Shabbat observance). During the meal they may sing songs to strengthen their belief, including songs about the creation. They may read from the Torah. They should not call this day the Sabbath, but the Seventh Day as it is written in Genesis.


And this is from a Noahide website:

Q: Do you believe Yeshua (Jesus) to be a historical figure?

A: No, not in the sense that Christians believe. Outside of the Christian's "New Testament," which is based on a few thousand fragments of script which has been compiled and manufactured into single manuscripts throughout the last century, nothing exists which proves that Yeshu[a] lived in the time period claimed by Christianity. In fact, Ramban (Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman), in his Disputation in Barcelona, clearly showed that the closest person resembling Christianity's Yeshu[a] lived approximately two hundred years prior to the time period Christianity claims!

In order for a testimony to be established or confirmed, this means it was already stated prior to being confirmed. Those who confirm or establish torah are righteous.

Rom 3
31 Does it follow that we abolish Torah by this trusting? Heaven forbid! On the contrary, we confirm Torah.